[viach]

> Be an engineer that PMs don’t hate

Easy-peasy. Always agree with their estimates, never complain, never ask for a raise, work additional hours.

[GoToRO]

Unfortunately true. Then when it all goes south, they are like "oh well, we tried". People really don't understand how hard it is to do something right, you know, the kind of things customers love and will stay in line to buy it. And when an engineer (an actual one) points out some flaw they immediately call him a jerk.

I never understood what people mean by "a jerk/asshole": sometimes they mean an actual jerk but a lot of times it seems to mean "people that don't agree with me".

[matwood]

I worked with many people I disagreed with. We would debate endlessly over how to solve an issue. I've worked with a few people who were assholes. They would lose their cool if anyone disagreed with them, and start threatening, calling names, etc...

I've been in a couple situations in my career where physical altercations even occurred.

[SkyPuncher]

I've found the way engineers say it is ultimately what gets them labelled as a jerk. It often lacks that hand-holding that business types expect.