Do you believe given Docker’s history of poor strategy (e.g., monetizing late requiring changes that negatively impact reputation such as docker desktop and hub), communication (e.g., the short notice changes a couple of months ago around free groups resulting in backlash) and in some cases destruction of successful businesses (see other comments in this thread) that this will result in a positive result for end users?
I hope you made bank while the ship continues to sink.
Mutagen's core users are primarily Docker users, and I honestly think they'll be much better served by the tighter integrations that we'll be able to offer now. If I didn't think that were the case, and I didn't think there were a net win (for Docker, Mutagen, and their users), then I wouldn't have joined.
You started an open source business making and publishing free software. How do you feel about going to work for a proprietary software vendor that ships lots of closed source software under restrictive licenses?
Was it a change in your own views toward user freedom (and an abandonment of free software ideology) or a practical matter?
I'd point out that most of the foundational components of Docker's technology stack are FOSS (e.g. [0] [1]). Mutagen also has (and had, prior to acquisition) closed-source components and components licensed under non-OSI licenses (e.g. SSPL), so evaluate my response in that context (and also please note that these are my responses, and not representative of Docker's opinions/positions). Also, as mentioned in the acquisition FAQ [2], we don't have any plans to change the open-source licensing structure, and we're still open to contributions.
It's a delicate balance to strike, and almost more delicate to discuss. At the end of the day, an open source business is still a business, and you have to make money to eat, shelter, and continue writing code. I can certainly appreciate that there are different approaches to balancing that with open-source (e.g. consulting rather than close-sourcing), but so long as you're setting natural (non-contrived) boundaries between open-source and proprietary, then I don't think you're doing anything wrong. In fact, several companies were embedding and making money from Mutagen before I was, but that never really bothered me — that was the freedom I was affording them as users.
I have nothing but the utmost respect for user freedom and I've always strived to offer that with Mutagen (e.g. allowing people to disable components that might not fit the OSI definition of FOSS). I also have nothing but the utmost respect for the authors of open-source software; Mutagen stands on the shoulders of many different dependencies and I've always strived to ensure that we're acknowledging those in a manner that is compliant with their licensing requirements (or going above and beyond that).
In the end, it's a tough but fair question. I don't think my views have changed and I don't think there's any real incompatibility. It's a balance I'll necessarily continue to assess on a daily basis, both at Docker and in any other FOSS I write.
I'm really happy with this outcome! I've been a Docker Captain for almost 3 years now, so being an employee at Docker was a very easy switch to flip (at least mentally). As I said in another comment, this really felt like the logical step given that almost all of Mutagen's users are Docker users, and I think this is the best possible outcome for the project too!
Well, that's one of those things I won't answer, but Docker is actually really great about listing nominal salary ranges for their positions on their Docker Careers page [1] - I'd encourage anyone to check out the openings there!
kkirsche|2 years ago
I hope you made bank while the ship continues to sink.
xenoscopic|2 years ago
sneak|2 years ago
Was it a change in your own views toward user freedom (and an abandonment of free software ideology) or a practical matter?
xenoscopic|2 years ago
It's a delicate balance to strike, and almost more delicate to discuss. At the end of the day, an open source business is still a business, and you have to make money to eat, shelter, and continue writing code. I can certainly appreciate that there are different approaches to balancing that with open-source (e.g. consulting rather than close-sourcing), but so long as you're setting natural (non-contrived) boundaries between open-source and proprietary, then I don't think you're doing anything wrong. In fact, several companies were embedding and making money from Mutagen before I was, but that never really bothered me — that was the freedom I was affording them as users.
I have nothing but the utmost respect for user freedom and I've always strived to offer that with Mutagen (e.g. allowing people to disable components that might not fit the OSI definition of FOSS). I also have nothing but the utmost respect for the authors of open-source software; Mutagen stands on the shoulders of many different dependencies and I've always strived to ensure that we're acknowledging those in a manner that is compliant with their licensing requirements (or going above and beyond that).
In the end, it's a tough but fair question. I don't think my views have changed and I don't think there's any real incompatibility. It's a balance I'll necessarily continue to assess on a daily basis, both at Docker and in any other FOSS I write.
[0] https://github.com/docker
[1] https://github.com/moby
[2] https://www.docker.com/blog/mutagen-acquisition/#mutagen-faq
debarshri|2 years ago
xenoscopic|2 years ago
mati365|2 years ago
xenoscopic|2 years ago
[1] https://www.docker.com/career-openings/
osigurdson|2 years ago
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