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olivermarks | 2 years ago

Ford is bleeding to death on purpose so they can get more tax payer EV subsidies

https://youtu.be/5MZeTeqdsTw

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toomuchtodo|2 years ago

I wouldn't say it's on purpose. Ford has always been a marginal (financially) automaker, and while the US gov is providing substantial support (>$10B) via battery and vehicle subsidies, it will be a painful transition based on the financials and balance sheet. Too much financial and institutional debt considering the swiftness at which they must transform. Tesla has a lot of room in their margin (and also generous subsidies due to US component content) to eat price reductions due to rising interest rates, Ford does not while also trying to retool their entire manufacturing supply chain.

TLDR Efficient, nimble innovators can kick the can, laggard incumbents cannot.

jdsully|2 years ago

Ford Credit (loans to purchasers of their vehicles) is on Ford's balance sheet while the others had to spin off those businesses in '08. So the debt situation is a bit misleading if you just compare the top level numbers to industry peers.

jjtheblunt|2 years ago

Wasn't Ford, unlike GM and Chrysler, NOT a recipient of bailout "too big to fail" federal money?

abakker|2 years ago

yes, but it was more circumstantial. by lucky happenstance they had arrange a significant loan facility almost directly before the financial crisis. they leveraged this heavily but because the financing had been arranged ahead of time it left them more sound. Ultimately, the other vehicle makers just got loans from the government post-hoc.