[dhruvmittal]

If you wanted to make some kind of argument about what's going on with RHEL, I'd hear you out... but Fedora is and remains a community project. While Red Hat certainly has a strong voice in the team meetings, development continues to occur in the open. And while it is true that the Fedora project is considering adding telemetry to Fedora 40, they're openly discussing what kinds of telemetry are ethical before even committing to adding any telemetry. It's a stretch to equate this immediately to Microsoft Windows.

> We believe an open source community can ethically collect limited aggregate data on how its software is used without involving big data companies or building creepy tracking profiles that are not in the best interests of users. Users will have the option to disable data upload before any data is sent for the first time. Our service will be operated by Fedora on Fedora infrastructure, and will not depend on Google Analytics or any other controversial third-party services. And in contrast to proprietary software operating systems, you can redirect the data collection to your own private metrics server instead of Fedora’s to see precisely what data is being collected from you, because the server components are open source too.[1]

While I'd personally love to see opt-in rather than opt-out telemetry, I believe in the value that telemetry can provide to projects hoping to improve their software/OS offerings. I'm glad to see open discussion on the subject of how to do so ethically.

[1] https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-pr...

[yjftsjthsd-h]

> Fedora is and remains a community project. While Red Hat certainly has a strong voice in the team meetings, development continues to occur in the open.

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/members/ lists 7 people. Of these, 6 appear to be Red Hat employees (the other 1 doesn't list employment, so I'll assume it isn't RH). I'll agree that it's developed in the open, just like CentOS Stream, but I struggle to see how Fedora - RHEL's upstream, the continuation of Red Hat Linux, a project whose trademarks are owned by Red Hat, whose leadership is 6/7ths RH employees - is anything but a project by Red Hat.

[Atlas26]

This isn't accurate. Only ~30% of Fedora contributions come from Red Hatters, they specifically changed the council structure so much more appointments can be selected by the community rather than Red Hat:

"Historical Note The previous previous governance structure (Fedora Board) had five members directly appointed by Red Hat and five elected at large. The current structure is more complicated but has a much greater proportion of members selected by the community by election or merit. In the previous board structure, the Fedora Project leader had a special veto power; in the current model, all voting members can block on issues, with a valid reason. The FPL does not have a special veto, but does have a limited power to “unstick” things if consensus genuinely can’t be reached and a decision needs to be made."

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/#_historical_no...

Note that the community can and does select Red Hatters willingly if they are the best fit for the position. It doesn't change the fact that the community is still in full control of the project, Red Hat just sponsors it. Fedora could go off in whatever direction they want, and assuming the community supports it, Red Hat can't do anything about this, many community members have made this very clear over the years, and they also lay it out in the docs: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/fedora-and-r...

That's (one of the reasons) why Red Hat forks Fedora and then makes whatever changes they need to make.

[sandworm101]

>> While I'd personally love to see opt-in rather than opt-out telemetry

I think the vast majority of Linux users would not opt-in to any sort of telemetry. Some would consciously make a determination, but MS/Windows has trained the bulk of us to just say no to such things during any sort of install procedure. I personally would like telemetry to be done fully openly, with a running local text file showing in user-readable format exactly what has been shared in plain English.