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carrolldunham | 2 years ago

This narrative has been questioned as a bit of feel-good manipulation https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12993945

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didntcheck|2 years ago

It's frustrating how often this happens. Exaggerating someone's achievements isn't helpful, it's undermining them and others like them, as now people will rationally be more sceptical of similar claims

The story of Ada Lovelace seems to get more fantastic every time I hear it. Even Turing himself, who has no shortage of actual achievements, has his role in the Enigma cracking overstated at the expense of other cryptanalysts, especially those from other countries

wrp|2 years ago

An ironic thing about the Lovelace story is that while the popular impression of her is quite twisted, the real story is just as interesting. Stephen Wolfram wrote a nice article a while back, after he spent effort to consult primary sources to try to grasp the reality behind the myth.

As for the Poles who were actually the first to crack the Enigma code, they aren't alone among Polish mathematicians being ignored in the West. My top example of a Polish mathematician who unjustly lacks fame would be Helena Rasiowa.

jadamson|2 years ago

I only recently read about the contribution of Polish mathematicians in breaking Enigma. Fairly sure that wasn't mentioned when I visited Bletchley Park Museum as a kid.

Ada Lovelace might not have been the "first programmer", but she was at least talented, a visionary, and an interesting character.

parker_mountain|2 years ago

For what it's worth, this narrative has been floating around for a minute, and conveniently ignores _how_ she became a junior programmer. Go look it up :) suddenly "brought on as a jr" becomes less an indictment of her skills, and more an indictment of NASA management undervaluing a woman.

defrost|2 years ago

BA in mathematics, followed by four years cutting code in non linear dynamics at MIT Lincoln Lab and Cambridge Research Laboratories.

With that background why would hiring Hamilton as a junior at the Draper Laboratory be an indictment of NASA managaement?

rightbyte|2 years ago

Just tell us _how_ instead of making us guess? I tried to find the answer but given your exclusion I guess rumours of sexual relations?

Kim_Bruning|2 years ago

If it was really so controversial, you'd expect to at least find traces at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Margaret_Hamilton_(softwa...

(or in the archive at)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Margaret_Hamilton_(softwa...

It seems that no one has so much as questioned the narrative on Wikipedia. And the only source we have questioning it is a nitter/twitter thread (above). Which is not saying that the questioner is wrong per-se, -it could be a niche of a niche thing-, but eh.