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cbau | 2 years ago

Not an expert, but if you read any of Keynes, he's basically critiquing classical economics and pointing out some of the ways it fails to explain economic cycles, hence the invention of macroeconomics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_General_Theory_of_Employme...

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churchill|2 years ago

Really? Classical liberal economics fails to explain business cycles? Then why is the Austrian School (dyed in the wool classical liberals) the only major economic faction that's developed the most comprehensive expose on how central banks cause malinvestment, booms and busts by fiddling with the money supply?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_business_cycle_theory

asymmetric|2 years ago

As far as I understand, Austrians are precisely not classical liberals, but neoliberals.

Cf. for example Hayek’s critique of the classical liberal notion of the perfectly informed, rational market actor.

dantheman|2 years ago

Keynes was always wrong, and is an excuse for governments to spend money. Stagflation...

churchill|2 years ago

Keynes has to be THE most confusing and self-contradictory personality in orthodox economics. He had no original insights and the only reason political elites took a liking to him was because he gave them a logical, complicated copout for money printer to go brrrrrrr. He frequently changed his theories and ideas for political expediency and the idea that modern 'economists' take his teaching as gospel truth is just sad.

Murray Rothbard wrote an entire profile on the man [0] and I'd suggest anybody taking a stab at heterodox economics to read it.

[0]: https://mises.org/library/keynes-man-1

FrustratedMonky|2 years ago

I'd rather have some Keynes than get pissed on with some 'trickle down' economics.

I would say, I'd bet nobody having an argument about economics here has actually read much Keynes, or anything about classical/neo-liberalism. It all just turns into "I recognize some word related to the right, so I'll virtue signal and keep hyping it." Or more, "I see a free market economy argument happening, I must jump in and comment because markets are from God and I must support".

roenxi|2 years ago

When dealing with Marxist or Keynsians (or modern monetary theorists for that matter) it is a safe bet that the people implementing the policies haven't read and don't intend to follow the theory.

So I am simultaneously shy of saying "Kaynes was wrong" and confident that anyone claiming "Kaynes was right and we must do suchandsuch!" is saying the wrong thing. Ditto the other theories.