[martinjacobd]

Embedded projects can be more complicated to build than the Linux kernel in two respects: Embedded projects are usually cross-compiled; whereas, one is ordinarily building the Linux kernel for that machine or one like it. And, hardware vendor code is usually bad.

I had one embedded project that I handrolled the makefile for, and it was all in pure C, no OS. That was fine, but ensuring that the versions of the hardware abstraction layer, and other drivers I wanted to use from the same vendor was a source of annoyance. Keeping track of which source files were to be enabled and disabled in the makefile was also annoying.

Another project I am working on uses platformio on an RTOS (and a much bigger micro). Platformio is written in Python to handle all of that 'seamlessly' and it does work pretty well from my perspective. And I don't have to manually install separate toolchains to /opt (or wherever) and keep track of them; it 'just works.'

I like the makefile approach. With only a little work, it's possible to make clean build directories without .o files littered around like mouse droppings. I know exactly what code is being built, and, because I usually have to write the linker script, where it is being put. But once it gets more complicated with different toolchains and compatibility problems (and it usually does if you have an RTOS), it sure is nice to have something like Platformio.

[petsfed]

There's also the aspect that a lot of the really good packages for dealing with e.g. text or the OS don't translate well to the constraints of embedded systems.

So I could go to all the trouble to have a cascading compilation all in pure c or c++, so the git SHA is written into a given source file, which is in turn built and flashed onto my target device. Or I could use an interpreted language for all the off-the-device operations, completely skip over configuring a separate development environment, and do it all in a fraction of the time.

The only reason I want to be compiling c or c++ for the host is because I'm also writing a driver at the same time, and even then...

[dmvdoug]

> But once it gets more complicated with different toolchains and compatibility problems (and it usually does if you have an RTOS),

Just curious, but based on your experience, why does it “usually” get more complicated in those ways with an RTOS?