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mmmateo | 2 years ago

Totally understand the interpretation, but if you take a closer look I think you'll find Primo is actually the opposite. Site builders like Dreamweaver, Squarespace, Wix, Webflow, Weebly, etc. (and even WordPress now) replace code with visual controls - bridging the gap between users and their websites, but also putting up a wall that keeps them from modifying the code directly (or at best, applying some custom CSS on top of it). Primo, on the other hand, bridges the gap directly to the code, which means the interface doesn't get bogged down by toggles, sliders, and color pickers and users are never limited to just the subset of the underlying platform pre-ordained by whoever built the tool. That's the beauty of code, and it's what excites me most about Primo - that people who would otherwise think code was outside of their reach would realize it's actually something they'd be good at and enjoy.

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ransackdev|2 years ago

Primo is not the opposite. From the primo site, the 3 main bullet points

- Drag-n-drop page building

> Build your site's pages by dragging and dropping your directly blocks onto the page, unencumbered by overwhelming design options.

- Visual content editing

> Update your text, images, and links directly on the page or open up the Fields view to manage your content from a structured view.

- Integrated development

> Access each block's code with a click - right from your browser. And since each block is a Svelte component, there's no limit to what you can make.

That is functionality that existed in Dreamweaver since ~2000[1]

- Quick Tag Editor

> Bring the HTML source directly into the visual design environment. Use a keyboard shortcut to quickly access and modify HTML tags around the selected object on the page.

- HTML styles and cascading style sheets

> Dreamweaver styles give you desktop-publishing-level control over the text in your Web site. Quickly apply combinations of character and paragraph styles to text with the new HTML Style palette. Easily configure character and paragraph level styles for a site and share them with the entire development team with cascading style sheets. The choice between HTML styles or CSS styles gives you unparalled flexibility and control.

- HTML Inspector

> Roundtrip HTML lets you visually design your Web site without sacrificing control over HTML source. The HTML inspector gives you total visibility and access to HTML source. Edit, drag and drop, or copy and paste directly in the HTML inspector (which now displays line numbers).

1.https://web.archive.org/web/20001012150931/http://macromedia...

Regardless of the dreamweaver comparison, please explain how this is different, or as you said, the opposite, from any other site builder out there?

mmmateo|2 years ago

Ah yeah I forgot Dreamweaver does give you access to the code, in that regard it's similar. But, speaking as a user of Primo (and echoing what I've heard from a lot of other users), I haven't found anything that rides the line between no-code and code quite like this (especially open-source).

Yes Primo offers visual content editing and page building, because that's the only way to make a page flexibly editable by a non-technical user. Abstraction is only a negative thing when it stands in the way of what you want to do. Page building abstracts copy-pasting code. Visual content editing abstracts writing editorial content in HTML. Styling & building is the one thing that's left up to code because it has so many more possibilities than laying out blocks or writing content. So in the sense of building, Primo is the opposite to visual site builders like Webflow, Squarespace, Wix, etc.

I think that's why a new site builder pops up every other day - because they're all attacking the problem from different ends of the spectrum. Some give you more control, but are more complex/professional (like Webflow), while others are easier to use but offer less control (like Squarespace), and others are tailored to particular industries.