[fmstack]

not gonna lie, a scenario where a big nasty effect of climate change pastes Europe first might make the powers that be wake up to the impending disaster faster. For the folks with the big money one death in Europe might be more shocking than 100 deaths in India.

[IKantRead]

The trouble with climate change has always been that by the time you notice the "big nasty effect" it's already too late to prevent catastrophe.

To be clear, it's never too late to improve our fate, but by the time something like the AMOC shutting down destroys Europes climate, you've already signed up for an incredible amount of climate pain. Maybe such an event will wake us up enough to prevent out right extinction, but if this happened the collapse of industrial civilization would be virtually guaranteed.

[kinjba11]

Isn't that what this and other papers say - that AMOC is doomed to collapse, it's just a matter of time? I'm not sure I'd equate AMOC collapse to industrial civilization collapsing.

My understanding with climate change is that we have signed up for a lot already, but much more is on the way if we don't make big changes faster. Humanity is a crisis-motivated species. The trouble with climate change is the effects so far have nearly no impact on power. If AMOC were to shut down in 2030 devastating Europe's economy, that could be the wake-up call to everyone to actually stop fossil-burning ourselves to doom for short-term conveniences.

[RandomLensman]

If Europe expends much more energy to deal with cold and food production in the cold not sure that would help the world much.