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hcayless | 2 years ago

More to the point 2/4 countries in the UK voted remain and got dragged out of the EU anyway.

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blibble|2 years ago

the UK is unitary state, not a federation or confederation

the previous sovereign states that were dissolved to form it are called "countries" for historical reasons

the referendum was 1 person 1 vote

populations:

  - Scotland and NI (voted Remain): 7.5 million
  - England and Wales (vote Leave): 60 million
allowing 7.5 million to override 60 million, simply because they physically live in an area that was formerly a different state several hundred years ago would be disenfranchisement on a vast scale

not to mention completely undemocratic

seanp2k2|2 years ago

> allowing 7.5 million to override 60 million, simply because they physically live in an area that was formerly a different state several hundred years ago would be disenfranchisement on a vast scale

Like how in the Electoral College here in the US, one vote in Wyoming can have almost two orders of magnitude more impact than a vote in California when it comes to electing senators, as each state gets two regardless of population [0]. Similarly, when one looks at the extent of gerrymandering, it’s clear that the winners, and especially one party in particular, love to redraw the lines to cherry-pick the voters that will elect them while excluding others that might challenge them [1]. For presidential elections, the difference between a Wyoming voter’s say and the average say of a voter from any other state is around 3.18:1. Worst-case is of course California, where it’s about 3.6:1 when compared to Wyoming, or said another way, a vote here is worth 27.7% of a Wyoming vote. [2][3]

    0. https://wallethub.com/edu/how-much-is-your-vote-worth/7932

    1. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2021/nov/12/gerrymander-redistricting-map-republicans-democrats-visual


    2. https://fairvote.org/archives/the_electoral_college-population_vs_electoral_votes/


    3. https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/how-much-voting-power-do-you-really-have-in-your-state

bombcar|2 years ago

I suppose they could dissolve the United Kingdom.