[moojd]

> Vercel and Netlify (among others) try and avoid the basic necessity of databases and other backend complexities as if a front-end developer can exist in some shining, pretty land free of that yucky backend stuff.

They are creating the disease and selling you the cure. You see less monoliths in the node community because it's the only ecosystem where the attempting to build a monolith takes you off of the happy path. Most tools and frameworks not-so gently nudge you in the SPA + back-end-as-a-service direction and make the simple thing hard.

[lagrange77]

> You see less monoliths in the node community because it's the only ecosystem where the attempting to build a monolith takes you off of the happy path.

As i understand you guys, you're talking about the difference between writing an API server vs writing a web app, that delivers the view, instead of an API. What exactly makes one leave the happy path? Using a template language?

[moojd]

I'm not making a value judgement on rendering strategies, spa, etc. I'm arguing that for most js frameworks, building a full stack app with your own database, auth, etc without third party services is not the happy path. These are table stakes in php, ruby, and python. There are exceptions like remix. I'm just deriding a general trend.