This in nothing new or surprising. Virtually everything Apple has engineered for decades prioritizes Apple's interests over the users in some way.
iPhones don't support memory cards or wired headphones for the same reason.
I tell all my Apple friends to name something their $1000 iPhone does that my $200 Motorola can't. I can name several simple, practical, useful things an iPhone can't do --- not because Apple can't do it but because they don't want to.
I made the mistake of showing an Applehead how I could use a Windows PC to archive photos from an iPhone to a memory card and free up space. This unleased a stream of requests from others to do the same.
This should be just as easy to do in the Appleverse garden but apparently it's not --- because Apple prefers you buy a new iPhone or pay for on-line storage instead.
> I tell all my Apple friends to name something their $1000 iPhone does that my $200 Motorola can't.
I’m not an “Apple friend” but I use Apple phones. My 4 year old $400 iPhone SE still gets updates and runs every app that since the day I bought it.
Does your Motorola do that?
My phone also doesn’t send forced telemetry to Google for use in selling ads to me. That’s kind of a big deal, I think.
I don’t think I’ve talked to anyone to argue over whose phone is better for years. And I don’t think a company is “better” than another. But there are certainly some things that Apple phones do that Android phones don’t.
Theres is one thing non apple manufacturers can’t do: iOS
I’ve given old iphones / helped purchase new ones to my Android friends over the years - none got back to android.
The experience is subjective but a well designed user interface with attention to detail an very responsive hardware/software combination that keeps working like that after 4+ years beats every other option.
Specially after apple focused on selling services and now old devices seem more performant than ever.
Also you don’t need a $1000 iPhone - a refurbished 2nd gen SE is about 250 on amazon.
> I tell all my Apple friends to name something their $1000 iPhone does that my $200 Motorola can't.
You do this all the time?
> I can name several simple, practical, useful things an iPhone can't do --- not because Apple can't do it but because they don't want to.
Name them. We have plenty of electrons.
> I made the mistake of showing an Applehead how I could use a Windows PC to archive photos from an iPhone to a memory card and free up space.
Were they using iCloud Photos? Did they want to same physical space on the phone (could’ve used “Optimize iPhone Storage” in Photo settings), or did they want to not pay for additional iCloud storage?
This is NOT a Ford vs. Chevy debate. It's a Ford vs. Uber debate. Apple people buy their products because it gives them an ecosystem that meets their needs. It's not for everyone, but it is for a lot of us.
I'm not sure why you are so perturbed by Apple. Do you have that same anger towards Lamborghini because your Corolla can do everything it does, but at 10x the price?
Honestly, this discussion is just stupid. If you like green instead of blue, then that's what you like! Why do you want green to act like blue? It's green - it shouldn't act like blue!
> I made the mistake of showing an Applehead how I could use a Windows PC to archive photos from an iPhone to a memory card and free up space. This unleased a stream of requests from others to do the same.
> This should be just as easy to do in the Appleverse garden but apparently it's not --- because Apple prefers you buy a new iPhone or pay for on-line storage instead.
I backup my iCloud photos automatically to a free Dropbox account. My Windows PC then routinely moves the contents of the Dropbox backup folder onto my NAS.
> iPhones don't support memory cards or wired headphones
You’re right about memory cards, but wrong about wired headphones. They work just fine, I just either need headphones with a Lightning plug or a Lightning to 3.5mm adapter, similar to all the Android phones that don’t have a 3.5mm headphone jack, but replace Lightning with USB-C.
It's a real shame that Apple is this way (and certain other brands) when there are genuine reasons for why macbooks are pretty darn good (arm, battery life, etc.), of course when you carve out a Walled garden like apple it's no wonder though.
I'd like to see what Hector Martin -- you know, someone who actually knows something about Apple device internals -- says about this. He had a Mastodon thread recently on how full of shit Louis is about almost every engineering decision Apple makes. Apple prioritizes speed, security, and usability over repairability. Peripherals such as the touch screen in an iPhone or iPad, for instance, have signed firmware and encrypted configuration to prevent the touch screen being used as an attack vector.
Doubtless something similar is happening with the SSD. Given how sensitive the data thereupon is, it would make sense to have signed and verified SSD firmware and keep the encryption keys for the SSD in the Secure Enclave or something. Apple's integrated approach allows for the design of a far more secure system than the bucket of swappable parts we normally think of as a PC. Part swappers like Louis badmouthing them for lack of reapirability is in poor taste; Apple is doing something way different (and far more advanced, and far more protective of the user) than the typical PC vendor.
>Apple prioritizes speed, security, and usability over repairability.
haha, you forgot reliability for perfect joke.
This video explains how Apple SSDs work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR7m4aUxHcM "replace EVERY DEAD SSD for M1 Max, M1 Pro, M1 & T2 Mac, T1 Mac, BONUS:M1 Ultra (FOR DUDES IN DENIAL)"
He suggests you should be able to just clone your drive and boot from it over usb-c. Surely he knows the security implications of that? In fact he neglects to mention any security reasons Apple might have for this design.
I agree with some of his points, but can’t form an opinion because he ignores the security implications.
Many OEMs want us to believe that we have to sacrifice modularity and serviceability in the pursuit of miniaturization, better performance, privacy and security. I'm not so convinced. It feels like they were neglected and perhaps intentionally undermined and then blamed on the other features.
If it wasn't because of the ARM transition I just wish they remake the Pre 2016 MacBook Pro and fit in a newer Intel Mobile SoC and not touch anything else.
[+] [-] jqpabc123|2 years ago|reply
iPhones don't support memory cards or wired headphones for the same reason.
I tell all my Apple friends to name something their $1000 iPhone does that my $200 Motorola can't. I can name several simple, practical, useful things an iPhone can't do --- not because Apple can't do it but because they don't want to.
I made the mistake of showing an Applehead how I could use a Windows PC to archive photos from an iPhone to a memory card and free up space. This unleased a stream of requests from others to do the same.
This should be just as easy to do in the Appleverse garden but apparently it's not --- because Apple prefers you buy a new iPhone or pay for on-line storage instead.
[+] [-] prepend|2 years ago|reply
I’m not an “Apple friend” but I use Apple phones. My 4 year old $400 iPhone SE still gets updates and runs every app that since the day I bought it.
Does your Motorola do that?
My phone also doesn’t send forced telemetry to Google for use in selling ads to me. That’s kind of a big deal, I think.
I don’t think I’ve talked to anyone to argue over whose phone is better for years. And I don’t think a company is “better” than another. But there are certainly some things that Apple phones do that Android phones don’t.
[+] [-] gbaygon|2 years ago|reply
I’ve given old iphones / helped purchase new ones to my Android friends over the years - none got back to android.
The experience is subjective but a well designed user interface with attention to detail an very responsive hardware/software combination that keeps working like that after 4+ years beats every other option. Specially after apple focused on selling services and now old devices seem more performant than ever.
Also you don’t need a $1000 iPhone - a refurbished 2nd gen SE is about 250 on amazon.
[+] [-] entropy273|2 years ago|reply
Privacy?
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[+] [-] ciabattabread|2 years ago|reply
You do this all the time?
> I can name several simple, practical, useful things an iPhone can't do --- not because Apple can't do it but because they don't want to.
Name them. We have plenty of electrons.
> I made the mistake of showing an Applehead how I could use a Windows PC to archive photos from an iPhone to a memory card and free up space.
Were they using iCloud Photos? Did they want to same physical space on the phone (could’ve used “Optimize iPhone Storage” in Photo settings), or did they want to not pay for additional iCloud storage?
[+] [-] MR4D|2 years ago|reply
I'm not sure why you are so perturbed by Apple. Do you have that same anger towards Lamborghini because your Corolla can do everything it does, but at 10x the price?
Honestly, this discussion is just stupid. If you like green instead of blue, then that's what you like! Why do you want green to act like blue? It's green - it shouldn't act like blue!
/rant
[+] [-] cainxinth|2 years ago|reply
> This should be just as easy to do in the Appleverse garden but apparently it's not --- because Apple prefers you buy a new iPhone or pay for on-line storage instead.
I backup my iCloud photos automatically to a free Dropbox account. My Windows PC then routinely moves the contents of the Dropbox backup folder onto my NAS.
[+] [-] lockhouse|2 years ago|reply
You’re right about memory cards, but wrong about wired headphones. They work just fine, I just either need headphones with a Lightning plug or a Lightning to 3.5mm adapter, similar to all the Android phones that don’t have a 3.5mm headphone jack, but replace Lightning with USB-C.
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Lockdown mode.
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Doubtless something similar is happening with the SSD. Given how sensitive the data thereupon is, it would make sense to have signed and verified SSD firmware and keep the encryption keys for the SSD in the Secure Enclave or something. Apple's integrated approach allows for the design of a far more secure system than the bucket of swappable parts we normally think of as a PC. Part swappers like Louis badmouthing them for lack of reapirability is in poor taste; Apple is doing something way different (and far more advanced, and far more protective of the user) than the typical PC vendor.
[+] [-] rasz|2 years ago|reply
haha, you forgot reliability for perfect joke.
This video explains how Apple SSDs work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR7m4aUxHcM "replace EVERY DEAD SSD for M1 Max, M1 Pro, M1 & T2 Mac, T1 Mac, BONUS:M1 Ultra (FOR DUDES IN DENIAL)"
[+] [-] chronicsonic|2 years ago|reply
I agree with some of his points, but can’t form an opinion because he ignores the security implications.
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