[thkim]

Original authors have been working on it for 23 years since they first found the material in 1999. They are part of private institution and have no incentive to rush the disclosure so that other labs can catch on their life's work. Authors already have stated they will publish more information next year. It's pretty arrogant to draw premature conclusions on quick analysis and demand the authors to disclose more information right now, when they are clearly not obligated to anything.

[bhouston]

I’ve seen inside of privately funded research that doesn’t have publication requirements and sometimes it is driven by a combination of belief, passion and incompetence which leads to an avoidance of accepting failure. Not saying this is the case with this but please do not elevate private research above public research. There is actually less controls over the quality of private research.

[thkim]

I did not say I consider private research in some sort of higher level than public research. I only said they have no incentive to do full disclosure right now. Without knowing exactly what they know, it is insulting to authors to describe, or even hint, them as avoiding to accept failture. It is simply unwarranted ad-hominem and not contributing anything to academic discussion at this point.

[kergonath]

> It's pretty arrogant to draw premature conclusions on quick analysis and demand the authors to disclose more information right now, when they are clearly not obligated to anything.

“Put up or shut up” is a very valid stance in the face of extraordinary claims backed by dodgy evidence. They are not obligated to anything, but then we don’t have to take them seriously. The mere fact that they’ve sat on it for 20 years and don’t have anything solid after seriously working on it for 4 years is strange.

So far, the community has responded as it should, with a proper mixture of excitement and skepticism, which results in renewed interest in lead apatites (which is fine, apatites are great). But when questions keep piling up, “we have the proof but we’re not going to share” is bound to cause some frustration.

[j16sdiz]

Since when live AMA session and twitch demo an requirement for science?

No scientist can do real work if they are constantly distracted by random internet folk like this.

[Levitating]

From my understanding they haven't been actively researching during that time.

It should also be noted that the team most likely did not intend to disclose any information already.

"Currently, two papers concerning LK-99 are available on the preprint service arXiv, which does not conduct peer review, and a related past study was published in the Journal of the Korean Crystal Growth and Crystal Technology in April 2023. Kim has only co-authored one of the arXiv papers, while the other is authored by his colleagues at QERC, some of whom also applied for a patent on LK-99 in August 2022. Both papers present similar measurements, however Kim says that the second paper contains “many defects” and was uploaded to arXiv without his permission. In that paper, the work is described as opening a “new era for humankind”." - From the New Scientist

The "second paper" referenced here is actually the first that was published, in which Young-Wan Kwon is the third author. If Hyun-Tak Kim states that this paper was not published with his permisison it seems like Young-Wan Kwon prematurely published it on arxiv to be the third author. The other paper was submitted by Hyun-Tak Kim just two hours later, listing himself as the third author.

Furthermore, Young-Wan Kwon isn't related to the Q-Centre anymore as he resigned from the function of CTO.

[fouc]

The privately funded work didn't start until 2018 or 2019 I think?

They apparently weren't actively researching that material between 1999 and 2018.