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s_tec | 2 years ago
Once the meter and main panel are separate, the various backup solutions become pretty similar. The disconnect switch installs between the two, with the solar and battery attached. Sometimes the disconnect switch + solar + battery are all in one unit (like the Bluetti EP900), while sometimes the solar inverter, battery, and switch are all separate units (like Tesla or Enphase). The Tesla switch and battery are sleek & glossy, but the inverters are ugly. The Enphase stuff isn't quite as shiny, but at least the boxes look consistent.
Performance-wise, the systems seem pretty similar as well. Most systems are around $10K for 10KWh of capacity, with somewhere around 6-9 KW of peak discharge rate. I imagine these prices will drop a lot over the next decades. If the battery becomes obsolete, just install a different system. Once the home is correctly wired, swapping the storage system should be pretty straightforward.
rsync|2 years ago
It doesn't need to be.
You can just use a physical interlock and toggle between utility breaker and (any input you want) breaker.
You can do this on an integrated meter panel.
This is a dead-simple configuration that you can comprehend - and verify - with your own eyes.
The lock-out switch is NEC compliant, utility approved, etc.:
https://www.amazon.com/Generator-Interlock-Compatible-Homeli...
Yes, you do lose all power for a second or two but ... so much simpler and comprehensible than an ATX solution.
mindslight|2 years ago
Is it currently possible to do this with a battery setup, for which its normal state is to feed power to the grid with anti-islanding?
Either you'd need two power connections to the panel - one for the every day anti-islanded backfeed, and then a second with the physical lockout to a different inverter output that operates without the grid.
Or the lockout on the main breaker would need to control a logic-level switch that told the inverter to disable anti-islanding, for power flowing through a separate non-locked-out breaker. This would seem like a better solution, but the inverter/battery manufacturer would have to design for it and get NRTL approval.
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s_tec|2 years ago
Right now I have 3.8KW of solar and a single 3.3KWh battery. We are producing more than we use most months, so the solar is good but the battery is undersized. If we have an extended grid-down scenario like what happened in Texas, the system will mainly provide daytime backup plus a few evening hours. This is still better than nothing, and we can easily add more batteries as we have the budget.
hedora|2 years ago
Also, we tried to get Tesla to install solar on our roof, and will never do business with them (especially that half of the company) again. There's a reason their solar market share is plummeting. Many news stories have been written on this subject. I won't repeat them here.
LG and Generac also make home batteries. From what I can tell, their offerings are also fine.
The main limitation of all the existing systems (vs. the recently-announced Anker) is that they scale amperage linearly with capacity. This is a pain because the batteries produce way more current than you need, but you have to pay for an electrical bus that can handle peak output. This is why the enphase is limited to 40kWh.
I'd strongly recommend against trying to do the installation of the Enphase yourself. It's extremely hands on.
cyberax|2 years ago