After watching the PewDiePipeline [1] video, and now learning about the Yogapipeline ... I'm starting to wonder if this is a consequence of "flooding" or accumulation of disinformation due to an always-on firehose of falsehood [2].
How are people supposed to tell falsehoods from truth? If such a thing exists - many things aren't b/w, but shades of grey, undetermined, or "it depends".
For every scientific study that shows X, there will be other studies showing !X. People aren't scientists peer-reviewing or questioning paper author's (potential) conflict of interest.
So they seek trusted 'authorities' to tell them what's what. Like friends, co-workers, news anchors, talk show hosts, sometimes government institutions. Or these days... cough. influencers.. cough.
In many wellness situations, there's at least some kind of trust relation between practicioners & clients. So having them serve as source-of-truth is not that strange, really.
Anti-vax and like positions have been cause-celebre positions for other political leanings, previously and now. I guess the guardian doesn't want to look though it's archives and remember it's part in the affair.
For a very long time there’s been sort of a hippie overlap between organic/natural foods, alternative medicine, skepticism towards Big Pharma, and antivax. Prior to 2020, if you wanted to assign a political leaning to this scene, “fascist” is probably the last one you would pick. Likewise, it’s relatively new that antipathy to the World Economic Forum or Bill Gates is considered right-wing. And if you told anyone ten years ago that a prominent anti-government protestor would be a self-described “shaman”, you would have never guessed which side he would be on.
There’s a far more interesting story that isn’t being told here. How on earth did the right become a more welcoming environment for hippies than the left? When it comes to vaccines in particular, that’s easy: the mainstream center-left was all in on COVID vaccine mandates, and were willing to alienate alt-medicine hippies to impose those policies. Anti-vaxers were always a weird, unpopular fringe group, and it was rhetorically convenient to try and dismiss all lockdown-mandate skeptics as “antivaxers”. But it’s all part of the same broader political realignment we’ve been going through over the past decade or so.
At least in Germany (though articile is in England) this is not surprising. These people are and were against measles vaccines, Walddorf ideology is close to Antisemitism. I bet Jane is very likely against GMOs. And most arguments against GMOs leads to conspiracy theories very soon.
The most common argument against GMOs I’ve seen is that glyphosate causes cancer and fucks up the environment. Given that selling glyphosate seems to be the most common reason for supporting GMOs, I’m curious to hear what conspiracy’s theories you think exist around it!
The article, if you care to read it, documents how disinformation works. You start with a little, inconsequential lie, get your suckers in a row who yearn to be part of something, then escalate.
The clear path from anti vax to killing people you don't like is well underway. If it wasn't so horrifying, speed running nazi germany would be fascinating.
It’s insane how blatant it is in this article. Fascism is literally used here to mean “something I don’t like”.
I don’t agree with anti-vaxxers who fought lockdowns, mask mandates, and vaccine mandates. But these people are quite literally fighting for less government control. How can that be construed as fascist?
> is a practitioner of “shamanic arts” who eats natural and organic food, and has more than once been described as an “ecofascist”.
People who eat “natural and organic food” secretly want the state to control their lives? Give me a fucking break!
rolandog|2 years ago
[1] https://youtu.be/pnmRYRRDbuw
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood
RetroTechie|2 years ago
For every scientific study that shows X, there will be other studies showing !X. People aren't scientists peer-reviewing or questioning paper author's (potential) conflict of interest.
So they seek trusted 'authorities' to tell them what's what. Like friends, co-workers, news anchors, talk show hosts, sometimes government institutions. Or these days... cough. influencers.. cough.
In many wellness situations, there's at least some kind of trust relation between practicioners & clients. So having them serve as source-of-truth is not that strange, really.
shrimp_emoji|2 years ago
[0] https://youtu.be/Hmy1jjRnl8I?t=609
bifftastic|2 years ago
mimd|2 years ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/200...
Course the original article, "New health fears over big surge in autism" is now inaccessible via the guardian.* How positively "fascist", eh guardian?
*Their are dozens of other "supporting" opinion and 'concerned' articles they haven't removed. Just look before 2012 and MMR.
hotdogscout|2 years ago
philwelch|2 years ago
There’s a far more interesting story that isn’t being told here. How on earth did the right become a more welcoming environment for hippies than the left? When it comes to vaccines in particular, that’s easy: the mainstream center-left was all in on COVID vaccine mandates, and were willing to alienate alt-medicine hippies to impose those policies. Anti-vaxers were always a weird, unpopular fringe group, and it was rhetorically convenient to try and dismiss all lockdown-mandate skeptics as “antivaxers”. But it’s all part of the same broader political realignment we’ve been going through over the past decade or so.
snowpid|2 years ago
elcapitan|2 years ago
snowpid|2 years ago
alrnejie29474|2 years ago
hotdogscout|2 years ago
It seems they're fighting for a change in figures of authority not rationalism.
nonomoreplease|2 years ago
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tldrexpal|2 years ago
smackeyacky|2 years ago
The article, if you care to read it, documents how disinformation works. You start with a little, inconsequential lie, get your suckers in a row who yearn to be part of something, then escalate.
The clear path from anti vax to killing people you don't like is well underway. If it wasn't so horrifying, speed running nazi germany would be fascinating.
subjectsigma|2 years ago
I don’t agree with anti-vaxxers who fought lockdowns, mask mandates, and vaccine mandates. But these people are quite literally fighting for less government control. How can that be construed as fascist?
> is a practitioner of “shamanic arts” who eats natural and organic food, and has more than once been described as an “ecofascist”.
People who eat “natural and organic food” secretly want the state to control their lives? Give me a fucking break!