[I hope this is OK to share here; the guidelines haven't made it very clear to me what HN's stance on political submissions is. Feel free to ignore / purge / flame me if this isn't a good place to share. This account is literally 10 years old but I only have 2 past submissions.]
This is an article of mine lamenting how the code of conduct trend has not changed anything for the better.
To the contrary, I believe the massively popular Contributor Covenant (the specific CoC now used everywhere, even by Linux) is arguably sexist/misogynist in nature, and can be used to harass feminists.
Specifically, I was hounded out of the Guix community for daring to suggest that the CoC should perhaps include the term "sex." (You know, whether someone is female or male.) It does, after all, list everything else under the sun for which you could be discriminated against.
Eventually, they included "sex characteristics" in line with the changes made upstream in the C.C., but I'm unhappy with this for reasons outlined in the article / in the GitHub issue mentioned in the article.
To be honest, I've grown overall highly skeptical of CoCs, and believe they've become tools to push specific political views instead of foment a friendly and inclusive environment. (Yes, I know some will say "duh" but I used to be very optimistic.) This article is, however, written from a very pro-feminist standpoint, so be wary if that's not your cup of tea.
> believe they've become tools to push specific political views
That's always been my opinion. It's the opposite of "inclusive" because it selects for against people that don't like the framing or don't want to see politics in software. It's more like an orthodoxy test people have to pass than an actual mechanism for preventing whatever it's ostensibly trying to prevent.
Imo, software projects should be about software, nobody cares about irrelevant personal characteristics, nor is there a reason to discuss them when working on a software project, so it's not an issue. Forcing the discussion in that direction is about jockeying for power, and it ultimately hurts everyone.
Edit: and you got flagged. I'd take that as an abuse more than an actual judgement from the site, it's not like the post started a flame war or got a bunch of boring replies with the same old stuff... some elements of HN are not too tolerant of certain viewpoints and things get flagged too easily.
> To be honest, I've grown overall highly skeptical of CoCs, and believe they've become tools to push specific political views instead of foment a friendly and inclusive environment. (Yes, I know some will say "duh" but I used to be very optimistic.)
At least you got there eventually :) some still think they achieve something.
taylanub|2 years ago
This is an article of mine lamenting how the code of conduct trend has not changed anything for the better.
To the contrary, I believe the massively popular Contributor Covenant (the specific CoC now used everywhere, even by Linux) is arguably sexist/misogynist in nature, and can be used to harass feminists.
Specifically, I was hounded out of the Guix community for daring to suggest that the CoC should perhaps include the term "sex." (You know, whether someone is female or male.) It does, after all, list everything else under the sun for which you could be discriminated against.
Eventually, they included "sex characteristics" in line with the changes made upstream in the C.C., but I'm unhappy with this for reasons outlined in the article / in the GitHub issue mentioned in the article.
To be honest, I've grown overall highly skeptical of CoCs, and believe they've become tools to push specific political views instead of foment a friendly and inclusive environment. (Yes, I know some will say "duh" but I used to be very optimistic.) This article is, however, written from a very pro-feminist standpoint, so be wary if that's not your cup of tea.
version_five|2 years ago
That's always been my opinion. It's the opposite of "inclusive" because it selects for against people that don't like the framing or don't want to see politics in software. It's more like an orthodoxy test people have to pass than an actual mechanism for preventing whatever it's ostensibly trying to prevent.
Imo, software projects should be about software, nobody cares about irrelevant personal characteristics, nor is there a reason to discuss them when working on a software project, so it's not an issue. Forcing the discussion in that direction is about jockeying for power, and it ultimately hurts everyone.
Edit: and you got flagged. I'd take that as an abuse more than an actual judgement from the site, it's not like the post started a flame war or got a bunch of boring replies with the same old stuff... some elements of HN are not too tolerant of certain viewpoints and things get flagged too easily.
wmf|2 years ago
dudul|2 years ago
At least you got there eventually :) some still think they achieve something.
unknown|2 years ago
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