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Dark Messiah modding community got Ubisoft approval

89 points| retro_guy | 2 years ago |moddb.com

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[+] boomboomsubban|2 years ago|reply
Am I understanding this correctly? Ubisoft is allowing third party mods of their 17 year old game that still requires a legal copy to run the mod? While good for the developers and fans, that hardly seems like a concession from Ubisoft
[+] dogma1138|2 years ago|reply
REMIX is a bit different it extracts resources from the game so you could rework and replace them.

Additive only modding is arguably easy, however mods in which you extract and rework assets are more tricky since those assets are protected by their own copyright.

There could be cases in which the licensing agreement that covers those assets may not be compatible with modding since the license the publisher and developer have received is rather restrictive - speedtree generated assets come to mind as Autodesk(?) has or had a rather restrictive license on those, store bought art assets these days also probably have a non mod friendly license.

Then there is the whole thing around using trademark names in your sites and content.

Overall you want an approval especially for a large scale remaster mod.

And publishers/developers that may appear hostile to modders may actually have a valid reason rather than doing it just out of spite.

[+] ramesh31|2 years ago|reply
>While good for the developers and fans, that hardly seems like a concession from Ubisoft

In the world of AAA game studios, this is about as good as it gets. EA or Activision would have told them to kick rocks.

[+] saiya-jin|2 years ago|reply
I am still waiting for such a game since I played it back then - FPS with magic, good bow shooting etc. and actual AAA quality. For proper RPG experience there are skyrims of these days, but something lighter, with just missions and not endless bugged half-empty open worlds, something I can easily pick up for few minutes, progress just a bit and then ignore for a month. Or play in one go if possible. Somehow, they nailed playability just right, in Half-life style.

I am overfed with same looking and same experience modern warfares, just like few years ago WWII oversaturated the market. Another potential direction may be say Vietnam-like games.

[+] where-group-by|2 years ago|reply
If you're listing all the fun features you have to mention the ragdoll psychics with inventive ways to dispatch your enemies using the environment.

I was very disappointed, when this facet of the game didn't really catch on, and other games did not copy it.

[+] Cthulhu_|2 years ago|reply
Sounds like they're eyeing up a remaster or sequel, and wait for the free labor mod community to produce candidates to do so.

I mean it makes sense, they probably won't find someone easily if they put out a job advert, the original developers will have long gone, and you cannot beat someone training themselves over the span of years.

[+] dogma1138|2 years ago|reply
This is an RTX remix mod so this is a de facto remaster.

A sequel maybe.

[+] haolez|2 years ago|reply
What makes this game great besides the nostalgia factor? Genuinely curious. I play things like NetHack, so a good gameplay mechanic can go a long way with me :)
[+] badlucklottery|2 years ago|reply
> What makes this game great besides the nostalgia factor?

Using some very light immersive sim elements and solid first person melee combat, the game rewards you for winning fights unfairly:

- You can lure enemies in front of a trap and kick them into it.

- You can freeze the ground near a cliff and watch enemies go sliding off into the void.

- You can throw an oil jar at the feet of enemies and cast a fire spell to ignite the oil and burn them to death.

- etc.

My only tip when playing is: if you're squaring off with multiple enemies at once and actually using the (very solid) first person combat system, you're probably missing out on some underhanded way to kill one or more of them in that area.

[+] neckro23|2 years ago|reply
It's an early game by Arkane Studios, who went on to make the Dishonored series, Prey (2017), and Deathloop. It's basically their first iteration on what would become their trademark "stealth/combat with superpowers and player choice" immersive-sim-style gameplay that they refined to great effect in their later games. If you play it stealthily it feels remarkably like Dishonored, in particular.

It's hardly a great game -- the plot is cheesy and there are some frustrating difficulty spikes -- but as an Arkane fan and game design nerd I find it interesting.

Plus, there's a dedicated "boot" key and it's fun to kick orcs off cliffs.

[+] mcprwklzpq|2 years ago|reply
Dark Messiah had unique combat mechanics in hazard filled environments, where you could create all sorts of physics based accidents to eliminate enemies.

Game combat was showcased in the demo which made a lot of people at the time to believe it would be the game of the year. Unfortunately the demo contained all the best levels and the full game fell short with less engaging ones.

I did not play much games since that time so i do not know if some other games outclassed the Dark Messiah combat experience but trying the demo is worth it for a lot of fun in great level design. https://archive.org/details/DarkMessiahMightAndMagicDemo

[+] zote|2 years ago|reply
Wow Ubi gave their full approval, also props to them for their hard work
[+] kmfrk|2 years ago|reply
Last I tried playing the game, it kept crashing with a DirectX error, so this might be the best way to keep the game working.
[+] s09dfhks|2 years ago|reply
I LOVED the multiplayer in this game. Such a shame there’s no active servers anymore
[+] jamesfinlayson|2 years ago|reply
There are no bots are there? I wonder if it predated Source's bot/plugin support.
[+] suprjami|2 years ago|reply
Good. It's heartbreaking to see modders pour years of love and effort into a game, only to get a cease and desist or DMCA takedown a week after launch.

Looking at you Nintendo. Iwata rolls in his grave.

[+] gambiting|2 years ago|reply
For all the great games that they are making, Nintendo absolutely hates its most passionate fans.