[ilikenwf]

In addition the starlabs machines and tuxedo machines are ridiculous in terms of quality, even going as far as using cherry switches on their keyboards now...in the models well beyond my price point.

I realize everyone hates on clevo but it's only the lower end models that really suffer "quality" issues.

[acomjean]

I have 2 clevo notebooks, one for 5 years one for 2. They seem pretty ok. The second one seems much nicer than the first. The first one had a fan that died (how I figured out it was a clevo, it was on the laptop label as I was buying a replacement)