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ntietz | 2 years ago

I’m in one of the “other smaller groups not included here”: people who rely on accessibility tooling that isn’t supported by Wayland. My options are:

- keep using X and stay healthy

- switch to Wayland and get strong nerve pain again

- switch to Windows or Mac

If Wayland were my only option, I would have to leave Linux for my health. So the technical merits of Wayland truly don’t matter.

Accessibility is an oft forgotten requirement and it’s something that can affect all of us at one time or another. We ought not ignore it.

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lynx23|2 years ago

Wayland kind of reminds me of the CORBA->DBus rewrite. GNOME 2 was awesomely accessible. Then came the "qwe need to switch to DBus" people, and basically destroyed the hard work of many years. For me, GNOME Accessibility never recovered from that blow. And then came Wayland, which made things even worse.

NikkiA|2 years ago

Tech's Gen Y seemed to have a big 'NIH' thing about things that predated them, and it seems to have continued with Gen Z. Resulting in a lot of things just being trashed for the sake of it 'not being modern enough'.

csdreamer7|2 years ago

Would you please talk more about this?

* What is your condition exactly?

* What were you using on X that made you healthy?

* How is it broken on Wayland?

ntietz|2 years ago

Various nerve stuff in my arms, limiting my use of keyboards. With an ergonomic keyboard I can get through most days, but I’m having more flare ups lately so I’m doing more voice coding.

I use Talon. It simply doesn’t support Wayland, and I believe its maintainer who says that there are issues with Wayland which make support infeasible. Using it on X makes my nerve pain much less.

Galanwe|2 years ago

> What were you using on X that made you healthy?

Well my WM for a start. It did not migrate to Wayland.

And I also need to share screen from time to time (teams, Google chat, etc), which results in a dark screen for viewers in Wayland.

vondur|2 years ago

If you can believe people on Reddit, multi monitor support on Nvidia GPUs is broken. I only run AMD so I don’t have that issue. A game mod I use for ET Legacy only runs under X.

bemusedthrow75|2 years ago

I can see how this would be utterly limiting.

But even trackpad support is kind of messy at the moment; gestures work but pointer speed just seems weirdly different no matter what.