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nateberkopec | 2 years ago

I volunteered in SAR for five years, and the topic of W3W would occasionally come up.

For me, it’s just already damn hard to make sure you can hear numbers correctly over the radio. In marginal conditions, it’s a hell of a lot easier to use numbers (and requires less time due to not having to repeat or ask for clarification).

Do I really want to be trying to say “arrows.midst.senses” over a handheld radio?

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PeterisP|2 years ago

Especially since "arrows.midst.senses" and "arrow.midst.senses" are two different locations, and if you mishear it as "arrows.midst.sends", that's yet another different valid location.

Really, there's all the research done (since the invention of early radio?) on what makes a phonetic alphabet or phonetic code usable in noisy conditions, and instead W3W effectively plants a field of rakes in front of blindfolded people.

margalabargala|2 years ago

Or worse, "arrows.midst.senses" and "arrows.mist.senses"

simonjgreen|2 years ago

Very similar experience, decade in volunteer SAR with a lot of police and fire overlap.

I hold exactly the same opinion as you, however what is very telling us that the police and fire services love it. I think that's because of the accessibility of the system rather than the underlying algorithm or communication.

I am also coming to see w3w locations written more and more as a more accessible alternative to coordinates, especially in land sales and forestry situations.

I do particularly hate that government services and agencies are becoming reliant on a commercially licensed pattern. It does not tick the sustainability tickbox for me.

I hate it as much as I love it.

switch007|2 years ago

SAR = Search and Rescue

permo-w|2 years ago

poor implementation aside, the format has its advantages over numerical coordinates

besides the greater public awareness of w3w amongst certain demographics compared to coordinates, they may be harder to hear, but it's much easier to read out three words correctly than it is 16-18 numbers

the thing with words is that they're easy to hear in context, but take them out of context and they're often indecipherable

perhaps a system that gives each square a coherent-sounding sentence could be tried, although I'm sure that would have its difficulties too

CapitalistCartr|2 years ago

Yeah, to avoid that confusion, it won't be three words when spoken.

"arrows.midst.senses"

Will become "Alpha, romeo, romeo, oscar, whiskey, sierra. Mike, india, delta, sierra, tango. Sierra, echo, november, sierra, echo, sierra".

inopinatus|2 years ago

Coherence is unfortunately a subjective matter, as in the phrase “too.much.butter” which is syntactically valid but has no comprehensible meaning.

thakoppno|2 years ago

The fifth decimal of a GPS coordinate resolves down to 1.1 meter.

Ten numbers doesn’t sound much more difficult than three words to me.

pharmakom|2 years ago

Can you suggest an iOS app that can give geo coordinates appropriate for S&R? Ideally whilst offline?

sakjur|2 years ago

The built-in Compass app shows your longitude, latitude, and elevation in addition to providing heading.

charcircuit|2 years ago

Why are you not sending text messages to each other if it is so hard to understand? You can have plenty of error correction to make sure the message always is correctly received.

Mordisquitos|2 years ago

If they are in a situation in which they can send W3W coordinates by text message, then they are in a situation in which they can send ordinary numerical coordinates by text message.