This is lovely and kind of tempting but, like every keyboard-nerd keyboard, it's made by and for someone who wants the smallest possible number of keys in front of them and a bunch of toggleable modes.
I want more keys. I want my dedicated f-keys back so that when I launch an action in Illustrator I don't have to hold down the fn key, along with whatever other modifier key I may be using to distinguish between a couple other action assigned to that key. I have turned my capslock into command-alt-shift and that helps a lot, I want additional meta keys that I can use for command-shift and command-alt while still having the existing meta keys, not less - this has nine unmarked keys in the default layout, and two of those are probably slated for becoming space and return; my Mac has exactly the same number of meta keys if I count capslock, and dedicated space/return buttons.
Their Moonlander's much more sensible, with a baker's dozen of meta keys around each half's keyboard block. Hitting a little one-handed chord almost seems reasonable, compared to all the one-handed stretches I've got in my daily art routine. I'd be super-tempted by this or an Ergodox EZ if they were putting them on sale because they are no longer the new hotness, they might actually see integration into my workflow, but there's absolutely no price difference.
Maybe I'll just get baked and spend an hour futzing with this idea I just had to make the f-keys of my Mac's keyboard accessible by having Karabiner translate a chord of (fkey)+(the key to its left) into (fkey). I already have the baked part. And that works on my existing laptop keyboard as well as the 90%-identical Apple wireless board on my desk...
EDIT:
I did indeed spend an hour swearing at Karabiner's config file and make f(n)+f(-1) into f(n) and it is wonderful, and I am going to make a fn+f(n)=(nothing) rule to train myself to use it. Thanks for the inspiration, keyboard with too few bucky bits!
The [Kinesis Freestyle Edge](https://gaming.kinesis-ergo.com/edge/) is what you want. It's a full keyboard, with extra keys you can map, and you can choose what switch you want. It's marketed for gamers, but it's good for everyone.
My one complaint is I find the space bar too large. I started used the Freestyle after decades of MS Natural keyboards. It took a while to get used to the size of the space bar.
> I want more keys. I want my dedicated f-keys back...
This is my issue as well. I want a "normal" keyboard, only ergonomic, split, with all the fancy joint happiness that brings.
It seems these are impossible to find without some kind of 3d printing and DIY from scratch.
I am not able to invest in learning a new keyboarding process because I have to work on too many different computers over a year span that I have no control over, and I don't want my muscle memory to erode because of one special keyboard on my home workstation.
Yes! Really want a good 80% keyboard (basically a standard keyboard with the number pad chopped off) with some added thumb keys, but everything else mostly positioned where you expect. QMK for configuring.
I'm a long time user of the Microsoft Ergonomic Natural 4000 but they are hard to find now. Don't like the MS Sculpt that much - spongy escape key and those flat keys in general. I've got one in a drawer as a backup for when the 4000 dies, but I'm not looking forward to it.
I recently got a Keyboardio 100[1] but am really finding it hard to adapt to. Moving things like many symbol keys (e.g. "[]\{}|/+=-_") to different locations or layers is a real pain for programming. I really don't know if I'll persist. Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful keyboard, but requires too much adaptation for me.
The closest potential I've found is the X-Bows Knight[2] although the cost of getting one out to the Antipodes makes it a risky proposition if I end up not coping with it.
I made a low-profile split keyboard (with Bluetooth) based on the Moonlander layout, but a bit more ergonomic for my fingers: https://github.com/tadfisher/nyx-kb
I think this number of keys in this layout strikes a good balance between portability and usability.
You might like the Matias Ergo Pro. It is the most comfortable keyboard I've ever typed on, and I've owned literally dozens of mechanical, ergonomic, split, and specialty keyboards. It has all the function keys, and it has these terrific large modifier keys in front. I'm a heavy VIM user, but I still appreciate the terrific arrow cluster on that keyboard. And they've got an additional Ctrl key next to N - I love it.
Just be aware that the build quality is terrible. I had two Matias keyboards, neither lasted a year... And I type lightly, preferring 35 gram keys. At $250 each it is quite the investment. But, honestly, they are worth the price. They are _that_ comfortable.
Sounds like you want something like the Dygma Defy. It has (I think) 8 thumb keys in addition to the standard keyboard array. It's ortholinear, which I find way more sensible.
I have quite a few of these sorts of keyboards, including the Ergodox EZ. I think for generalist usage they can be adapted to pretty easily, but as a developer, the lack of dedicated keys for [, ] and ' is an insurmountable obstacle for me.
Those keys are in my opinion perfectly placed on regular keyboards and no amount of layering, tap dancing or anything else will ever come close. Please somebody just make a split ergo keyboard where the right side has extra keys for regular programming symbols on the top layer. The two halves do not need to be symmetrical.
I think this is honestly just a thing to get used to. I use the semi-colon/quote keys for [] and p/backslash for {}. It means I need to hit a modifier key to hit them, but you always had to hit a modifier key (aka shift) to hit curly brace anyway, so this really isn't a big deal.
With QMK, "layers" aren't this whole giant huge deal. It's like hitting the shift key, except just a different physical key, probably by your thumb.
Yea I hear this, I moved my ` and | symbols on my dygma raise, an mostly got ride of \ (its on a different layer), since I was only really using it for \n.
The biggest change for me on the Dygma raise was the thumb cluster. I moved my backspace to my thumb, as well as different layer shifting keys. The muscle memory is quite easy to learn, since your brain is already "expecting" to use your thumb to shift to other functionality (since we use our thumb to press command), so it simply makes all my vscode shortcuts 2 simple strokes instead of 3 or more.
Also moved my arrow keys under my fingers on a different layer, makes it so you don't need to move your hands when navigating around code. On that same layer I added option + arrows as well for fast navigation.
I don't get it, you can make a [ , ] key anywhere. The ] key could be to the right of your pinky on the homerow. The [ key could be the one right above that.
Personally, I have ()[]{} on the home row, activated by a layer and i'm never going back.
YMMV, but I think the Keyboardio Model 01/100 has a pretty great layout for programming. The keys are in a different spot, but they're easily reachable, and the palm layer toggles mean you don't have to contort at all to hit them.
Only two thumb keys seems like it could be a pain. I don't love trying to figure out the timing delays for tap vs hold. After a long search I settled on the Hillside 46 [1][2] which has 4 thumb keys and a splayed layout. Also choc spacing, as I didn't love the gaps between choc keycaps with mx spacing. Not sure why, as the macbook pro keyboard doesn't seem to give me any problems.
I like the all the case options and mods available to the ZSA keyboards. The biggest problem with building your own I feel is the cost of getting a nice, solid feeling case.
> Only two thumb keys seems like it could be a pain.
Depending on the context (mostly in games), I sometimes hit "B" with a thumb on my Ergodox. I think holding B/V for layer toggles could work on this board?
I get mild carpal tunnel symptoms when working straight on my Macbook, so I bought a Kinesis Freestyle Pro. The split and tenting are great and do the trick for my wrists but it's got a different layout than the MacBook. And a lot more keys than I need. It's large and a hassle to pack up and take with me.
Why does no one build a split keyboard that has the exact same layout as a MacBook? I feel like that would be my holy grail. I don't even care about mechanical switches (I know, blasphemy!)
The UHK (ultimate hacking keyboard) comes pretty close. I can vouch for its high quality, and it's about as portable as you can get for that many keys without switching to a slim profile like in the OP
The layout is eerily similar to one I designed last year [1]. I may be biased, but I'm not sure if it is worth the $365 price point. That being said, it is a bit more refined and has some nice accessories bundled.
I may pick one up for comparison. But, just noting that there is a comparable open source design available. ;)
But budget options pretty much demand a variety of skills.
DIY boards require soldering, and flashing firmware to the microcontrollers. If a mistake is made when soldering, this can be very difficult to diagnose, and harder to fix. -- Paying someone else to solder is sometimes an option, but can be expensive, too.
Even with cheap boards from e.g. AliExpress, you still might have to be familiar with flashing firmware.
For someone with more time than money, DIY is a good option.
With ZSA, I feel I can at least recommend a reputable brand; I'm not sure I can recommend DIY assembly to most people.
I considered the price as well. I do love open source designs more than I love the design of the ZSA Voyager (it has too few thumb keys), but in terms of price, it might actually be fair. Milled steel cases for a Corne or Lily58 are only available via group buys that charge $300-400, and they don't come with either keycaps or switches. I believe it's realistic that you could pay the same amount or more for an alternative.
I have an ErgoDox EZ at home, and a Moonlander for work. I absolutely love these keyboards. They have played a significant role in reducing pain I experience from arthritis.
I can totally relate. I bought my ErgoDox EZ a while ago and I still love it.
I changed the switches for some lubed linears, and added some foam and now it even sounds better. It also reduced my wrist pain.
I'm debating with myself whether to get the Moonlander or not. I don't actually need it, but it looks so cool (and the USB port of the ErgoDox is quite outdated haha).
One of my co-workers was mentioning earlier that he wanted "keyboard pants." This caught my eye because he probably would like hanging it from his belt.
But... There's a wire!
It might be less effort on the vendor's part to source out a simple "wireless USB adaptor" that they can sell as an add-on instead of writing a long-winded "you're wrong" page for people who want wireless.
I want keyboard pants as well. I saw one company having them in the pipeline recently (forgot which) but indeed not wireless which is not great as for things like Vr/ar plugging in will need an extra hub.
"Things you build yourself" aren't really in competition with pre-built things for most people. Also, that Dilemma costs over $200 for an RGB PCB plus case. Add brand-name switches and keycaps, and you're not far off the price of this, and also you had to do the assembly yourself.
If you buy a bt-500 from handheld scientific you can hook up to a powerbank and use it semi wirelessly. You’ve still got a cable going to the powerbank and adapter but at least you don’t have to run a cable to the laptop.
Alternatively keebmaker sell wireless cornes and Ferris sweeps - you’re best off getting the sweep because the leds on the Corne drain the battery life even when they’re switched off.
I'm looking forward to giving the Keychron K15 Pro a spin. It's not _nearly_ as compact as something like the Voyager, but I've never been productive on <75% layouts.
My only missing feature is layer support, so if anyone from Keychron is listening....
I have an Ergodox and a Moonlander (and a bunch of other keyboards), but I've already decided I'm not getting anything new until it's available in a wireless option.
A competing option that does include wireless is the Dygma Defy [0], which does have more keys but might be a good option for you if you're okay with not being ultra-minimalist.
I am a customer and bought several ZSA keyboards. I specifically DO NO want wireless. I want tried and tested wired with appropriate cable length and that's exactly what they did here.
I am happy zsa/ergodox ez user for many years and was waiting for something like this from zsa, since moonlander wasn't for my hands. My current ergodox layout doesn't use keys that are removed on voyager, so everything plays perfectly. I can vouch for the zsa product quality, since my ergodox didn't hiccup for many years with lots of typing.
It is hard to explain to people who never tried qmk layers that more keys doesn't mean better keyboard, having proper layers on home row is many times more ergonomic. One of the things that don't click unless you try I guess.
I own zsa moonlander (my primary keyboard at home), ergodox ez, dactyl manuform (slightly modified, use at work) and drop preonic.
I won't buy this keyboard. It doesn't have anything attractive to me. 2 thumb keys are not enough. It is wired. It is flat. If I wanted something like that, I'd buy some variant of corne, and it would be more suited for my needs and cheaper.
It still has qmk, and ZSA's configurator is the best that is there, but the same rehashed idea is of a keyboard is not what I wanted. I really hoped for dactyl-like wireless. But I guess that ZSA is too tied to qmk now, and qmk has issues with wireless.
It demonstrates the level of control the firmware can have over LEDs. Cheap boards might have a single color setting or only be able to set blocks of keys (i.e. alpha vs modifier keys). No one says you have to use unicorn vomit colors or a constantly shifting color pattern. But it does look good in a demo and does a great job of indicating that it's not a solid color.
Some people don't like the lighting at all, and that's ok. It's a preference and you control it. If you don't like changing colors or lighting whatsoever, then turn it off.
I switch backlight colors based on layout. It helps me remember where less frequently used shortcuts are, and is rather useful to me and I'm sure many others use it in a similar manner. And plenty of people just set a color that matches the color scheme of their desk, office, or computer.
I don't like it either but if it's like the moonlander it's fully customizable and uses QMK under the hood, so the sky is the limit.
I don't really like having a lightshow on my keyboard so the LEDs are off all the time for me but in the past I've used them to change color depending on the layout I'm using for instance. I'm sure a more creative hacker could come up with something useful.
I think it's just a matter of preference (and maybe a slight generational gap?). I love the rainbow pattern on one of their other keyboards (the retired Planck EZ). IMO it looks very nice on top of a white case which "reflects" the LEDs' color.
Finally. My love of the sweep has proven to be correct, two thumb keys is the way. I am using a ZMK powered Urchin, a sweep variant, as my only daily use keyboard, 34 keys of love.
I think retaining the number row and the outer pinky column makes it more accessible; but I find it odd the design then also removes the lower row of modifier keys, and only gives two thumb keys each.
It's good to use the thumbs more than the pinky fingers. -- But, I'd think an introductory keyboard would retain modifier keys for the pinky fingers to use.
I'm a bit disappointed by the new offering and the retirement of the Planck EZ.
I fully understand the decisions that were made, and while ZSA's keyboards are phenomenal, there is no way I'd buy one at a 404€ price point (including French VAT, excluding customs costs which would bump it to around 450€). The Planck EZ was great because its price point made it justifiable, mine coming around at ~320€ including VAT and customs, which is the max amount of money I'd be willing to spend.
I don't think we'll ever see something like the Planck EZ again (as in a very compact and more affordable option) since the Voyager is the new "laptop solution", and that honestly sucks.
(Side note for anyone pedant enough to care: these customs costs are both actual customs import taxes and the fee taken by the courier for customs processes)
What's the difference between the Planck EZ and the myriad of other Plancks out there? I have two OLKB Plancks (one is the massdrop version the other is the EOTW variant), and they are both pretty nice Plancks.
It looks all right, but the tiny thumb clusters kills it for me. I think Keyboardio really nailed the layout, to the point that pretty much all other similar keyboard designs are DOA for me.
on the keyboardio, how do you accurately hit the right thumb key ? the four thumb keys all have the same shape. I see a high risk of getting them confused.
Equally as expensive, but really good, team is very responsive and involved with the community, and their customization software is getting better and better.
I have a raise, the build quality is definitely top notch. But their software/firmware is very underwhelming if you want to do anything besides basic key remapping and basic layers.
I just ended up giving up on trying to use their stuff, and opted for software based remapping instead
The idea of the magnetic accessories for a steel case seems interesting.
I've seen some split keyboards have a tripod mount option. But, otherwise, I've not seen ideas for sharing 'accessories' across multiple split keyboard designs.
egypturnash|2 years ago
I want more keys. I want my dedicated f-keys back so that when I launch an action in Illustrator I don't have to hold down the fn key, along with whatever other modifier key I may be using to distinguish between a couple other action assigned to that key. I have turned my capslock into command-alt-shift and that helps a lot, I want additional meta keys that I can use for command-shift and command-alt while still having the existing meta keys, not less - this has nine unmarked keys in the default layout, and two of those are probably slated for becoming space and return; my Mac has exactly the same number of meta keys if I count capslock, and dedicated space/return buttons.
Their Moonlander's much more sensible, with a baker's dozen of meta keys around each half's keyboard block. Hitting a little one-handed chord almost seems reasonable, compared to all the one-handed stretches I've got in my daily art routine. I'd be super-tempted by this or an Ergodox EZ if they were putting them on sale because they are no longer the new hotness, they might actually see integration into my workflow, but there's absolutely no price difference.
Maybe I'll just get baked and spend an hour futzing with this idea I just had to make the f-keys of my Mac's keyboard accessible by having Karabiner translate a chord of (fkey)+(the key to its left) into (fkey). I already have the baked part. And that works on my existing laptop keyboard as well as the 90%-identical Apple wireless board on my desk...
EDIT:
I did indeed spend an hour swearing at Karabiner's config file and make f(n)+f(-1) into f(n) and it is wonderful, and I am going to make a fn+f(n)=(nothing) rule to train myself to use it. Thanks for the inspiration, keyboard with too few bucky bits!
rince|2 years ago
My one complaint is I find the space bar too large. I started used the Freestyle after decades of MS Natural keyboards. It took a while to get used to the size of the space bar.
RobertRoberts|2 years ago
This is my issue as well. I want a "normal" keyboard, only ergonomic, split, with all the fancy joint happiness that brings.
It seems these are impossible to find without some kind of 3d printing and DIY from scratch.
I am not able to invest in learning a new keyboarding process because I have to work on too many different computers over a year span that I have no control over, and I don't want my muscle memory to erode because of one special keyboard on my home workstation.
anotherevan|2 years ago
I'm a long time user of the Microsoft Ergonomic Natural 4000 but they are hard to find now. Don't like the MS Sculpt that much - spongy escape key and those flat keys in general. I've got one in a drawer as a backup for when the 4000 dies, but I'm not looking forward to it.
I recently got a Keyboardio 100[1] but am really finding it hard to adapt to. Moving things like many symbol keys (e.g. "[]\{}|/+=-_") to different locations or layers is a real pain for programming. I really don't know if I'll persist. Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful keyboard, but requires too much adaptation for me.
The closest potential I've found is the X-Bows Knight[2] although the cost of getting one out to the Antipodes makes it a risky proposition if I end up not coping with it.
[1] https://shop.keyboard.io/products/model-100 [2] https://x-bows.com/products/x-bows-knight-ergonomic-mechanic...
tadfisher|2 years ago
I think this number of keys in this layout strikes a good balance between portability and usability.
dotancohen|2 years ago
Just be aware that the build quality is terrible. I had two Matias keyboards, neither lasted a year... And I type lightly, preferring 35 gram keys. At $250 each it is quite the investment. But, honestly, they are worth the price. They are _that_ comfortable.
neodymiumphish|2 years ago
wellthisisgreat|2 years ago
bsnnkv|2 years ago
Those keys are in my opinion perfectly placed on regular keyboards and no amount of layering, tap dancing or anything else will ever come close. Please somebody just make a split ergo keyboard where the right side has extra keys for regular programming symbols on the top layer. The two halves do not need to be symmetrical.
mkozlows|2 years ago
With QMK, "layers" aren't this whole giant huge deal. It's like hitting the shift key, except just a different physical key, probably by your thumb.
tevon|2 years ago
The biggest change for me on the Dygma raise was the thumb cluster. I moved my backspace to my thumb, as well as different layer shifting keys. The muscle memory is quite easy to learn, since your brain is already "expecting" to use your thumb to shift to other functionality (since we use our thumb to press command), so it simply makes all my vscode shortcuts 2 simple strokes instead of 3 or more.
Also moved my arrow keys under my fingers on a different layer, makes it so you don't need to move your hands when navigating around code. On that same layer I added option + arrows as well for fast navigation.
krzyk|2 years ago
mdavidn|2 years ago
... I use IDEs from JetBrains, a company that seems to view muscle memory for crazy keyboard shortcuts as a moat.
lucw|2 years ago
tiltowait|2 years ago
uncletaco|2 years ago
yeahboats|2 years ago
I like the all the case options and mods available to the ZSA keyboards. The biggest problem with building your own I feel is the cost of getting a nice, solid feeling case.
[1] https://github.com/mmccoyd/hillside/tree/main/hillside46 [2] https://i.imgur.com/i0VkWG1.jpeg
rollcat|2 years ago
Depending on the context (mostly in games), I sometimes hit "B" with a thumb on my Ergodox. I think holding B/V for layer toggles could work on this board?
mildavw|2 years ago
Why does no one build a split keyboard that has the exact same layout as a MacBook? I feel like that would be my holy grail. I don't even care about mechanical switches (I know, blasphemy!)
ConSeannery|2 years ago
lq0000|2 years ago
I may pick one up for comparison. But, just noting that there is a comparable open source design available. ;)
[1] https://github.com/eggsworks/egg58
rgoulter|2 years ago
But budget options pretty much demand a variety of skills.
DIY boards require soldering, and flashing firmware to the microcontrollers. If a mistake is made when soldering, this can be very difficult to diagnose, and harder to fix. -- Paying someone else to solder is sometimes an option, but can be expensive, too.
Even with cheap boards from e.g. AliExpress, you still might have to be familiar with flashing firmware.
For someone with more time than money, DIY is a good option.
With ZSA, I feel I can at least recommend a reputable brand; I'm not sure I can recommend DIY assembly to most people.
1MachineElf|2 years ago
kbknapp|2 years ago
I have an ErgoDox EZ at home, and a Moonlander for work. I absolutely love these keyboards. They have played a significant role in reducing pain I experience from arthritis.
etra0|2 years ago
I changed the switches for some lubed linears, and added some foam and now it even sounds better. It also reduced my wrist pain.
I'm debating with myself whether to get the Moonlander or not. I don't actually need it, but it looks so cool (and the USB port of the ErgoDox is quite outdated haha).
apozem|2 years ago
ModernMech|2 years ago
fernandotakai|2 years ago
frutiger|2 years ago
gwbas1c|2 years ago
(And yes, I see https://www.zsa.io/wireless/)
One of my co-workers was mentioning earlier that he wanted "keyboard pants." This caught my eye because he probably would like hanging it from his belt.
But... There's a wire!
It might be less effort on the vendor's part to source out a simple "wireless USB adaptor" that they can sell as an add-on instead of writing a long-winded "you're wrong" page for people who want wireless.
anonzzzies|2 years ago
7839284023|2 years ago
I would recommend buying a Dilemma instead: https://bastardkb.com/product/dilemma/
or building one of the hundreds of DIY open source keyboards e.g.:
- https://github.com/mmccoyd/hillside (46-56 keys)
- https://github.com/GEIGEIGEIST/TOTEM (38 keys)
mkozlows|2 years ago
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shivekkhurana|2 years ago
I’m rocking an Ergodox for the past few years. It’s worth every penny, but I cannot carry it around with all the cables.
7839284023|2 years ago
See this comment chain: https://old.reddit.com/r/olkb/comments/s95y98/is_bluetooth_w...
rollcat|2 years ago
rcarr|2 years ago
Alternatively keebmaker sell wireless cornes and Ferris sweeps - you’re best off getting the sweep because the leds on the Corne drain the battery life even when they’re switched off.
teach|2 years ago
My only missing feature is layer support, so if anyone from Keychron is listening....
edanm|2 years ago
I have an Ergodox and a Moonlander (and a bunch of other keyboards), but I've already decided I'm not getting anything new until it's available in a wireless option.
hwbehrens|2 years ago
[0]: https://dygma.com/products/dygma-defy
tevon|2 years ago
I have their other keyboard, the Raise, and its unbelievably good. I modded the heck out of it and now folks come up to me just the press the keys.
lucw|2 years ago
binaryapparatus|2 years ago
It is hard to explain to people who never tried qmk layers that more keys doesn't mean better keyboard, having proper layers on home row is many times more ergonomic. One of the things that don't click unless you try I guess.
galkk|2 years ago
I won't buy this keyboard. It doesn't have anything attractive to me. 2 thumb keys are not enough. It is wired. It is flat. If I wanted something like that, I'd buy some variant of corne, and it would be more suited for my needs and cheaper.
It still has qmk, and ZSA's configurator is the best that is there, but the same rehashed idea is of a keyboard is not what I wanted. I really hoped for dactyl-like wireless. But I guess that ZSA is too tied to qmk now, and qmk has issues with wireless.
fimdomeio|2 years ago
To me I immediately associate it with an unprofessional, cheap look.
ajford|2 years ago
Some people don't like the lighting at all, and that's ok. It's a preference and you control it. If you don't like changing colors or lighting whatsoever, then turn it off.
I switch backlight colors based on layout. It helps me remember where less frequently used shortcuts are, and is rather useful to me and I'm sure many others use it in a similar manner. And plenty of people just set a color that matches the color scheme of their desk, office, or computer.
simias|2 years ago
I don't really like having a lightshow on my keyboard so the LEDs are off all the time for me but in the past I've used them to change color depending on the layout I'm using for instance. I'm sure a more creative hacker could come up with something useful.
pkilgore|2 years ago
"What range of colors can these LEDs I'm selling display."
samcat116|2 years ago
Yes, RGB has been popular for many years now. Nice that I can pick any color or color pattern I like
ModernMech|2 years ago
baz00|2 years ago
Not only that half the RGB keyboards fuck out fairly quickly or have power and USB problems.
Electric truck nuts. That's all it is.
shlubbert|2 years ago
utybo|2 years ago
birdiesanders|2 years ago
rgoulter|2 years ago
It's good to use the thumbs more than the pinky fingers. -- But, I'd think an introductory keyboard would retain modifier keys for the pinky fingers to use.
utybo|2 years ago
I fully understand the decisions that were made, and while ZSA's keyboards are phenomenal, there is no way I'd buy one at a 404€ price point (including French VAT, excluding customs costs which would bump it to around 450€). The Planck EZ was great because its price point made it justifiable, mine coming around at ~320€ including VAT and customs, which is the max amount of money I'd be willing to spend.
I don't think we'll ever see something like the Planck EZ again (as in a very compact and more affordable option) since the Voyager is the new "laptop solution", and that honestly sucks.
(Side note for anyone pedant enough to care: these customs costs are both actual customs import taxes and the fee taken by the courier for customs processes)
delusional|2 years ago
ChrisLTD|2 years ago
tadfisher|2 years ago
tiltowait|2 years ago
lucw|2 years ago
ivanjermakov|2 years ago
chaxor|2 years ago
A very easy 'snap together' like keyboard bought in different components should at least knock the price down to ~$100
tevon|2 years ago
https://dygma.com/pages/defy
Equally as expensive, but really good, team is very responsive and involved with the community, and their customization software is getting better and better.
Also wireless option.
gassiss|2 years ago
I just ended up giving up on trying to use their stuff, and opted for software based remapping instead
rgoulter|2 years ago
I've seen some split keyboards have a tripod mount option. But, otherwise, I've not seen ideas for sharing 'accessories' across multiple split keyboard designs.
rakenodiax|2 years ago
co_dh|2 years ago
Pet_Ant|2 years ago
swah|2 years ago
uticus|2 years ago
Zezima|2 years ago
JoWilliams|2 years ago
https://www.amazon.com/ElfAnt-Laptop-Adjustable-Portable-Alu...
mrtobo|2 years ago
penjelly|2 years ago
asu_thomas|2 years ago
https://www.moergo.com
Pet_Ant|2 years ago
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