Vlad from Kagi here, thanks for posting. The RSS feed unexpectedly broke (edit: the feed is back up! [3]) just as we published the blog post, in the true spirt of "small web" :) Should be up in 30 minutes which will enable the site to function too (it uses the same feed).
This has been a personal pet project of mine and I spent considerable time getting my hands dirty with the code, as the team was busy with other initiatives. When I said the "feed broke" for the launch I meant I broke it. Software is messy especially for an old school dev. I learned in the process I am not a very good coder anymore (if I ever was one?), constantly going back and fixing stuff I previously thought was solid. Check it out in the linked repo [1].
Most importantly - I found the site replace the need for discovery for me, and getting to know various different humans and their writing felt good! A lot of unexpected stuff surfaced and the web felt close again. I think there is a glimpse of hope in the concept and I hope you see it too. And the improvements to search quality and diversity this brings are real.
You can check the list of included websites here [2]. And all the recent posts already surface in Kagi results (for relevant queries).
I really enjoy that this feature got released. Adding more visibility to the indie/small web is a great thing. I've complained in the past on HN that any useful personal blog is buried under spammy content in search engines.
It would be nice to also be able to just search within the small web, maybe using a lens in the future?
Regarding the topic of self promotion, I would disagree with the current rules and I would ask you to allow people to self promote. As long they have an old enough blog, maybe even cut that down to a year, would be helpful. Most users on the small/indie web lack visibility and this would do them service. My blog is already within the index because I think it might have been picked up during the "HN share your blog" post that happened a while ago, but others might not have been that lucky.
The more I uses Kagi (paid) the more I am feeling sad for the possibility that it might go away if it doesn't get more traction.
For me you represent an incredible accomplishment: the first search engine that gives better results than Google, respects privacy, offers customization and so much more.
Isn't this more likely to have been inspired by marginalia* than a personal blogs thread? Doesn't seem to have the same results from the Apple Watch example, but it's what immediately came to mind for me when I read this post's title.
Why do you let YouTube channels have advertisements/sponsors but require sites to be ad-free?
I understand the spirit of it and don't have any counter examples but seems like a bummer if someone has a nice indie blog but can't be added because they have a few ads or a sponsored post.
Semi-unrelated, but is there any reason you don't make your search API as turn key as the other APIs?
It's expensive enough that I can't imagine anyone repackaging it profitably (2x Bing search prices for me) but having to email someone adds just enough friction to discourage a lot of tinkerers from even trying it.
I have been developing a "small web" static site, forked and customized a templating engine into a static site generator just for my site. Even wrote a new post recently, last week or so. How can I add it to the list? The GitHub says to make a pull request, is that really all there is to it?
Edit: just saw this:
> Do not submit your own website.
I see. I'm okay with that. Maybe it will show up there one day.
Are English "Small Web" results included even if I use the "Sweden" search region?
I noticed the example result for useyourloaf wasn't included if I switched it to "Sweden" and not sure if this is just an oddity or if the entire feature is nerfed because I just leave my locale on all the time.
> These notes will vanish in about a week as we cycle in new content - emphasizing the fleeting, imperfect nature of the small web.
Kagi could just admit they don't want to moderate notes or store them permanently. No need to push down the small web, because a lot of small sites preserve their content.
I get that Kagi probably has data indicating the reality of how often sites down, but it seems from my experience that content in big platforms disappears often as well, even in the cases where the creator hadn't forgotten about it. The "Small web" websites made by a creator that cares have the room to be much more permanent.
It would be nice if Kagi Small Web would have an ActivityPub interface so that the most appreciated sites of a day could be added to a timeline on mastodon or lemmy.
Kagi is worth every penny. Been using it for 6 months as my primary search engine. I think I have used the Google !g 10 or so times in that period maybe?
The ability to block SEO garbage sites like GeeksForGeeks and not filling the first 3-5 results with ads is worth it alone. Not to mention the ability to boost certain sites results over others on a personalized level. Unfortunately for me, I end up regularly going over the "Pro" tier of searches a month (partially because I accidentally search all the time, but also I'm heavy search-engine user) is a bit of a letdown. At least they have an option to purchase additional searches instead of going up to the rather expensive unmetered tier.
It is such a weird experience to do a Google search on someone else's computer after being used to Kagi. I recently requested a small usability enhancement, and it was implemented within a few weeks. Zero chance of that happening with any other search engine.
The search results are consistently better than anyone else's, including DuckDuckGo, so I am, and will remain, a happy paying customer.
Another very satisfied Kagi user here. It's totally worth the money, and a great example of the kinds of services that are possible if you're just willing to pay a little for 'em
To give a slightly less positive perspective: I trialed Kagi for a few weeks, and while I liked the features and their business model, its search results are no better than from my own Searx instance. Kagi essentially does the same thing as Searx: anonymized API calls to 3rd party search engines. It's just packaged in a friendlier UI, but the experience is not far off.
Plus, Searx supports many more search engines, and I can customize it exactly to my liking.
I wish them well, as they clearly have good intentions and a good product, but I prefer using an equivalent OSS and self-hosted solution over a proprietary SaaS I have to create an account for, even if it's not as polished or featureful.
EDIT: Actually, I'm wrong. Kagi apparently also has their own crawlers and indexes[1]. Still, I'm not finding Searx results to be deficient, so I'm not missing out on much.
One thing that does concern me with Searx, and partially with Kagi, is that those 3rd parties could decide to block these API requests at any point, leaving Searx unusable, and Kagi's results less relevant. I'm not sure this is a sustainable way to build a search engine, but I do appreciate both Kagi's and Searx's stance on ads. Using any mainstream search engine via their own frontends is a frustrating experience at best.
one nice feature I found recently: you can actually search special characters: R "%<>%" actually explains operator, rather than linking to random websites about R.
I’m mostly happy with ddg but I wish they had a feature allowing me to disable certain sites by default like kagi, even if that information was stored in local storage only and I’d have to add the exclude list manually.
My only worry is random searches, where I default to a "free" bang (!g, !b, etc.) to not burn through one of my paid searches. I know it's a mental thing, but it's still a thing.
I like it but a month after paying for it the subscription model was changed significantly to be way more expensive. I just can’t let myself become depending on something with such capricious business practices. Maybe it is a positive indication that they are better at product than they are business and customer relations.
I love it, though my only complaint is that I usually want sites in English from the US, but if I want to switch to finding sites in French in France, I have to switch regions. Google is much better at localizing me, and so I'll use !g for those.
This sort of stuff makes me really happy to be a Kagi subscriber. Not only do i get value out of Kagi, but this shows me that the money is being used to develop Kagi in a way i agree with. By comparison, Spotify (just picking one of my subs) feels hostile to me. I pay them, but would cancel in a heart beat if i felt i had options.
I really appreciate Kagi's development matching what i feel like i'm buying. Thanks Kagi Team <3
Music streaming is such a mess. I've tried a ton of services in an attempt to find one that's decent, and have found embarrassing problems for all of them.
Spotify: Really hostile, manipulative, and terrible to artists. On my end I hate how commercial the homescreen is, and the CarPlay interface is just a user-hostile to a degree that is frankly unsafe disaster.
TIDAL: Pretty good in a lot of ways. They pay their artists well. The recommendations are decent. The apps have some really stupid bugs that have persisted for years though, the most annoying of which is that if you shuffle a playlist it only shuffles the dozen or so tracks that the interface had pre-cached from the top. So if you try to shuffle your full library you wind up just hearing the same dozen songs only, over and over again.
Deezer: Wanted to like it, but the apps aren't great, and I ran into more missing tracks than I'd like.
So I finally settled on Apple Music. I've got an iPhone, so it's a natural fit there, and the CarPlay interface is great. They also pay artists almost as well as TIDAL. The recommendations are super good enough, and I don't really feel like the home page is constantly trying to push me to whatever the huge labels are paying them to promote (damn you Spotify). The Windows apps are terrible (like flat out embarrassing), and the Linux apps are non-existent, but luckily there's a pretty great open source app called Cider that solves that.
It looks like you're stripping MathML out of the RSS feed -- is that intentional, or are you using an older sanitizer that doesn't recognize it? For example, my RSS feed [1] for my most recent post [2] has:
#1 What's the rationale behind favoring recent blog updates? In my experience, recent updates make the weakest search results, more prone to updates and link breakage, and overall tend to be of lower quality. I also wonder if promoting recent content might incentivize pumping out low-quality entries to increase the odds of being listed.
#2 In dabbling in the domain I've always ended up with an almost absurd skew toward technical programmer:y blogs. While there is a strong overlap between the cohort with a blog, and the cohort with programmer interests, I feel it would be more inviting to other groups if other interests were better represented. Is this something you've thought about, and if so, what do you think might be done?
- More recent content tends to be more relevant given the same search query, or at least its freshnes will contribute to it not being completely irrelevant (which is the worse thing you want in a search engine). The quality of it is already guaranteed to some extent by this being a curated list to begin with.
- It was relatively easy to assemble and maintain the list because it relies on RSS feed tech, and there were a lot of sources to seed it.
- Focus on recent writing can encourage some people to write (more) as we had an example highlighted in the blog post. In general, the web needs more high quality, non-commercial content, and this is ultimately what we want to contribute towards with this. By providing a platform (even if very small) to encourage this behavior we get a step closer to the web we like.
#2 In general I agree. Although I should say we did spend effort to create a diverse pool of websites for this initiative (for example I am seeing a lot of economy or photography). Again, we can only encourage the creation of more content in various areas through platforms like Kagi (and Marginalia) and hope that it will work out at the end.
This is amazing! Over the last 2 months I've been on a personal journey to browse through small web links. It all started from the "Ask HN: Could you share your personal blog here?" post on HN, and then I found out that somebody put a website with the links from this post organized(https://dm.hn/). I exported all 1651 blog link in to XLS and now every now and then I open up 5-7 just to read random articles and mark it as "viewed". So far I've been through 250 out of 1651!
I wish kagi has something similar, one place where I can see all the links to the personal websites collected via all it's sources
Thanks for the prominent link to my article! ("The Small Web is Beautiful") I consider that my personal software manifesto, so I'm glad to see it being promoted more widely.
I really like what you're doing with Kagi Small Web -- love that you've taken the initiative to start surfacing all this excellent content. Keep up the good work. I think I'll try out Kagi search...
Vlad, you're awesome! It's hard to tell to what extent it is actually beneficial for users or your company, but I feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing these kinds of things still happen in modern Internet.
Hah, thanks. It was one of those things that I just wanted to do and I actually wrote 100% of code for this end to end which took me a good part of a month. Not the best use of CEOs time you might say, but it was fun and felt right.
I would love to have my website added to the list because I block all crawlers in my robots.txt, but it looks like I’m not allowed to submit my own website. Is there a way to go about having it added? It would be great to be part of kagi search results but don’t want to be scraped by Google, ChatGPT, or the next group, so I found it easiest to block everything.
This is quite interesting. I feel you should include content from blogs that publish less often than once a week - some of the best blogs post once in a blue moon and are still quite interesting.
We do as a part of our own search index, just not as a part of this particular initiative where we wanted a focus on the fresh stuff from the small web "oven".
I'm interested in the mental gymnastics around how this kind of content manipulation is okay but the suggestion of inserting a suicide hotline at the top of search results around 'how to kill myself' was too political? https://kagifeedback.org/d/865-suicide-results-should-probab...
I’ve been using Kagi for over a year and it just keeps getting better. I really appreciate Kagis user and privacy-centric view of the web, and I love how the quality of the product proves that sticking to those ideals is really a better way to build. I hope they continue to gain enough momentum with non-tech audiences to continue to exist for a long time.
Things like this are why I keep rooting for Kagi. I haven’t purchased a subscription yet because I’m still on my free 100 queries, but I will as soon as they run out. I really love this project!
It sounds like it’s integrated into Kagi’s main results and you can use the API to reference only the small web results, but I also don’t see a way for a Kagi search user to toggle “small web” results as a lens or whatever. I assume and hope that may be added in the future.
This is really good. With more and more of the large web filled with SEO crap and gargantuan articles written because that's what google wants, it is great to read from the people who actually write the interesting things the AIs train on.
Very happy paying Kagi search and Orion browser user here. Just want to send some general good vibes your way. I really love what you guys are doing, and this just adds to that.
Great initiative, but it feels like they're not quite eating their own dogfood. This post contains a link titled "highlighting blog posts from HN users" which goes to Twitter — a massive centralized social media app that's pretty much the opposite of "small web".
Another satisfied Kagi customer here ('early adopter's badge). Just wanted to chime in and say I think KSW is awesome. I'll happily renew my annual subscription.
getting tired of hearing about the old web. and still not seeing anything that resembles it. everything still needs js. everything still needs cloudflare bypasses if you view it on tor. this includes whatever cool hacker site you think you have because i almost never see these. i have had a site with just plain html for 10 years and it has no nonsense just content, you can do this too, it doesnt need a movement that just talks about doing it.
not that it matters since the old web wasn't good. it was as terrible as now. the UI of absolutely every website ever made has been terrible quirky garbage compared to something like windows 98. Even back then there was a massive difference going from windows 98 (sane GUI) to web (garbage hackjob GUI + ads (YES REMEMBER 40 POPUPS? ADS? TOOLBARS? THE OLD WEB WAS NOT GOOD IT WAS A HELL JUST LIKE NOW)).
the content was never good either. every topic discussed on the web is little cliques who believe some easy to digest nonsense and then if you go skim some books on the subject the meta is completely different. except programming since that just centers around the web [1]. think of anything else like cooking or engineering
the web is a terrible protocol that should have died 20 years ago and been replaced with something that was modern at the time like freenet (and they should have made an alternative to html etc).
1. and this is ironic too since programming is the one field that is steered by the web's body of pseudoknowledge and as a result you have people who think C, PHP, and OOP are legitimate programming practices.
I haven't really had issues. They have a "programming" toggle that filters results to what looks like mainly forum type content like on github or stackoverflow, but I don't use it often, I'm sure some people do though
I find this kind of domain name reuse unsettling: for years, Kagi.com was the address of a payment service for shareware authors.
Man those were the days. Lots of people were perfectly willing to pay me $20 for a useful little utility app and now they won't pay $2 in an App Store.
> Lots of people were perfectly willing to pay me $20 for a useful little utility app and now they won't pay $2 in an App Store.
what kind of utilities?
I am happy to pay $2 (or more) for tools I use if it is a one time payment or a payment for tokens (e.g. $n for $m ocr scans, generated images or whatever).
I loathe apps that demand monthly payments unless it is really understandable why they have to have it that way (service that require permanent storage comes to mind, although I think I only use iCloud for storage now).
Kagi appearently had a project "expertGPT" (contrast to FastGPT). Does anybody know what happened to that one?
On a side note, there is now a - to my best knowledge - completely unrelated product "ExpertGPT" from some totally different company. I am not talking about that one.
Huh I wonder that too. Seems it hasn't been mentioned on the forums for a few months. So maybe they decided it wasn't worth it to keep that experiment running.
Rooting for small web does not mean one needs to be against other technology.
For example Kagi uses Google and even hosts on GCP - I think Google's technology and people are great, it is just the business model that is rotten and contributes to the deterioration of the web.
And interestingly enough, at least Discord (and to some extent Twitter) are trying to have a business model that does not put more ads down your throat (although admittedly I did cancel my Twitter subscription as unexplainably they still showed ads even when subscribing - you can't sit on two chairs).
They also mentioned their Microsoft GitHub forge to file issues. They really want you to create proprietary accounts to interact with them. You’d think a small web initiative would be led with small, decentralized/federated, libre software choices.
That is a requirement for it to be featured in the KSW website (as it uses iframes to embed). We will still crawl it and surface in search results regardless..
This sort of centralized, hand-curated list makes me nervous. The beauty of the web is that it’s open, you don’t have to “apply” or meet “criteria” for your website to viewable by other people. Obviously the status-quo (of Google Search) isn’t great, and I’m glad Kagi is trying to fix this problem. But this isn’t going to scale.
I can't see how it will scale, but in the immediate present, it seems useful and good to me. I might even prefer if this small web remained small (though that's likely... unappealing to Kagi's investors).
Unfortunately people don’t have unlimited time/energy/money. It may not be that they don’t care, but rather they are expending their full effort on other tasks
freediver|2 years ago
This has been a personal pet project of mine and I spent considerable time getting my hands dirty with the code, as the team was busy with other initiatives. When I said the "feed broke" for the launch I meant I broke it. Software is messy especially for an old school dev. I learned in the process I am not a very good coder anymore (if I ever was one?), constantly going back and fixing stuff I previously thought was solid. Check it out in the linked repo [1].
Most importantly - I found the site replace the need for discovery for me, and getting to know various different humans and their writing felt good! A lot of unexpected stuff surfaced and the web felt close again. I think there is a glimpse of hope in the concept and I hope you see it too. And the improvements to search quality and diversity this brings are real.
You can check the list of included websites here [2]. And all the recent posts already surface in Kagi results (for relevant queries).
[1] https://github.com/kagisearch/smallweb
[2] https://github.com/kagisearch/smallweb/blob/main/smallyt.txt
[3] https://kagi.com/smallweb
mhitza|2 years ago
It would be nice to also be able to just search within the small web, maybe using a lens in the future?
Regarding the topic of self promotion, I would disagree with the current rules and I would ask you to allow people to self promote. As long they have an old enough blog, maybe even cut that down to a year, would be helpful. Most users on the small/indie web lack visibility and this would do them service. My blog is already within the index because I think it might have been picked up during the "HN share your blog" post that happened a while ago, but others might not have been that lucky.
palmer_fox|2 years ago
For me you represent an incredible accomplishment: the first search engine that gives better results than Google, respects privacy, offers customization and so much more.
Thank you.
mrcgnc|2 years ago
BbzzbB|2 years ago
*https://search.marginalia.nu, commonly mentioned on HN https://hn.algolia.com/?query=marginalia
sergiosgc|2 years ago
I'm a Kagi customer, and a very happy one. The search engine is amazingly good. This only makes me happier with my search engine choice.
aftergibson|2 years ago
raybb|2 years ago
I understand the spirit of it and don't have any counter examples but seems like a bummer if someone has a nice indie blog but can't be added because they have a few ads or a sponsored post.
mbb70|2 years ago
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manuelmoreale|2 years ago
So happy so see the small, independent and more humane web being highlighted.
I’m trying to do my part[0] but I have no doubt that a search engine—even if still a niche one— can have a much bigger impact.
Really well done Vlad!
[0] https://peopleandblogs.com
BoorishBears|2 years ago
It's expensive enough that I can't imagine anyone repackaging it profitably (2x Bing search prices for me) but having to email someone adds just enough friction to discourage a lot of tinkerers from even trying it.
matheusmoreira|2 years ago
Edit: just saw this:
> Do not submit your own website.
I see. I'm okay with that. Maybe it will show up there one day.
VapidLinus|2 years ago
I noticed the example result for useyourloaf wasn't included if I switched it to "Sweden" and not sure if this is just an oddity or if the entire feature is nerfed because I just leave my locale on all the time.
tacon|2 years ago
https://github.com/kagisearch/smallweb/blob/main/smallweb.tx...
spiritplumber|2 years ago
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arboles|2 years ago
Kagi could just admit they don't want to moderate notes or store them permanently. No need to push down the small web, because a lot of small sites preserve their content.
I get that Kagi probably has data indicating the reality of how often sites down, but it seems from my experience that content in big platforms disappears often as well, even in the cases where the creator hadn't forgotten about it. The "Small web" websites made by a creator that cares have the room to be much more permanent.
slushh|2 years ago
It would be nice if Kagi Small Web would have an ActivityPub interface so that the most appreciated sites of a day could be added to a timeline on mastodon or lemmy.
wink|2 years ago
kickdaddy|2 years ago
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deepspace|2 years ago
The search results are consistently better than anyone else's, including DuckDuckGo, so I am, and will remain, a happy paying customer.
gnyman|2 years ago
It feels a bit like how it felt discovering Google back when AltaVista was still a thing.
scroot|2 years ago
imiric|2 years ago
Plus, Searx supports many more search engines, and I can customize it exactly to my liking.
I wish them well, as they clearly have good intentions and a good product, but I prefer using an equivalent OSS and self-hosted solution over a proprietary SaaS I have to create an account for, even if it's not as polished or featureful.
EDIT: Actually, I'm wrong. Kagi apparently also has their own crawlers and indexes[1]. Still, I'm not finding Searx results to be deficient, so I'm not missing out on much.
One thing that does concern me with Searx, and partially with Kagi, is that those 3rd parties could decide to block these API requests at any point, leaving Searx unusable, and Kagi's results less relevant. I'm not sure this is a sustainable way to build a search engine, but I do appreciate both Kagi's and Searx's stance on ads. Using any mainstream search engine via their own frontends is a frustrating experience at best.
[1]: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...
waveBidder|2 years ago
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unshavedyak|2 years ago
I really appreciate Kagi's development matching what i feel like i'm buying. Thanks Kagi Team <3
Subsector6616|2 years ago
Spotify: Really hostile, manipulative, and terrible to artists. On my end I hate how commercial the homescreen is, and the CarPlay interface is just a user-hostile to a degree that is frankly unsafe disaster.
TIDAL: Pretty good in a lot of ways. They pay their artists well. The recommendations are decent. The apps have some really stupid bugs that have persisted for years though, the most annoying of which is that if you shuffle a playlist it only shuffles the dozen or so tracks that the interface had pre-cached from the top. So if you try to shuffle your full library you wind up just hearing the same dozen songs only, over and over again.
Deezer: Wanted to like it, but the apps aren't great, and I ran into more missing tracks than I'd like.
So I finally settled on Apple Music. I've got an iPhone, so it's a natural fit there, and the CarPlay interface is great. They also pay artists almost as well as TIDAL. The recommendations are super good enough, and I don't really feel like the home page is constantly trying to push me to whatever the huge labels are paying them to promote (damn you Spotify). The Windows apps are terrible (like flat out embarrassing), and the Linux apps are non-existent, but luckily there's a pretty great open source app called Cider that solves that.
jefftk|2 years ago
[1] https://www.jefftk.com/news.rss
[2] https://www.jefftk.com/p/weekly-incidence-vs-cumulative-infe...
[3] https://kagi.com/api/v1/smallweb/feed
marginalia_nu|2 years ago
#1 What's the rationale behind favoring recent blog updates? In my experience, recent updates make the weakest search results, more prone to updates and link breakage, and overall tend to be of lower quality. I also wonder if promoting recent content might incentivize pumping out low-quality entries to increase the odds of being listed.
#2 In dabbling in the domain I've always ended up with an almost absurd skew toward technical programmer:y blogs. While there is a strong overlap between the cohort with a blog, and the cohort with programmer interests, I feel it would be more inviting to other groups if other interests were better represented. Is this something you've thought about, and if so, what do you think might be done?
freediver|2 years ago
#1 There are a couple of factors.
- More recent content tends to be more relevant given the same search query, or at least its freshnes will contribute to it not being completely irrelevant (which is the worse thing you want in a search engine). The quality of it is already guaranteed to some extent by this being a curated list to begin with.
- It was relatively easy to assemble and maintain the list because it relies on RSS feed tech, and there were a lot of sources to seed it.
- Focus on recent writing can encourage some people to write (more) as we had an example highlighted in the blog post. In general, the web needs more high quality, non-commercial content, and this is ultimately what we want to contribute towards with this. By providing a platform (even if very small) to encourage this behavior we get a step closer to the web we like.
#2 In general I agree. Although I should say we did spend effort to create a diverse pool of websites for this initiative (for example I am seeing a lot of economy or photography). Again, we can only encourage the creation of more content in various areas through platforms like Kagi (and Marginalia) and hope that it will work out at the end.
mindwork|2 years ago
I wish kagi has something similar, one place where I can see all the links to the personal websites collected via all it's sources
robga|2 years ago
They do. It's in the open repo https://github.com/kagisearch/smallweb/blob/main/smallweb.tx...
benhoyt|2 years ago
I really like what you're doing with Kagi Small Web -- love that you've taken the initiative to start surfacing all this excellent content. Keep up the good work. I think I'll try out Kagi search...
freediver|2 years ago
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landgenoot|2 years ago
I think the only condition is that the article is less than one week old.
freediver|2 years ago
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jabroni_salad|2 years ago
And of course it showed me Questionable Content, which I first got to via stumbleupon.
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vk7eu|2 years ago
https://kagi.com/smallweb displays the homepage for the Kagi Blog at the moment, though.
freediver|2 years ago
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rapnie|2 years ago
https://small-tech.org/research-and-development/
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uconnectlol|2 years ago
not that it matters since the old web wasn't good. it was as terrible as now. the UI of absolutely every website ever made has been terrible quirky garbage compared to something like windows 98. Even back then there was a massive difference going from windows 98 (sane GUI) to web (garbage hackjob GUI + ads (YES REMEMBER 40 POPUPS? ADS? TOOLBARS? THE OLD WEB WAS NOT GOOD IT WAS A HELL JUST LIKE NOW)).
the content was never good either. every topic discussed on the web is little cliques who believe some easy to digest nonsense and then if you go skim some books on the subject the meta is completely different. except programming since that just centers around the web [1]. think of anything else like cooking or engineering
the web is a terrible protocol that should have died 20 years ago and been replaced with something that was modern at the time like freenet (and they should have made an alternative to html etc).
1. and this is ironic too since programming is the one field that is steered by the web's body of pseudoknowledge and as a result you have people who think C, PHP, and OOP are legitimate programming practices.
fLaMEd|2 years ago
endorphine|2 years ago
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eitland|2 years ago
what kind of utilities?
I am happy to pay $2 (or more) for tools I use if it is a one time payment or a payment for tokens (e.g. $n for $m ocr scans, generated images or whatever).
I loathe apps that demand monthly payments unless it is really understandable why they have to have it that way (service that require permanent storage comes to mind, although I think I only use iCloud for storage now).
k0k0r0|2 years ago
On a side note, there is now a - to my best knowledge - completely unrelated product "ExpertGPT" from some totally different company. I am not talking about that one.
raybb|2 years ago
https://kagifeedback.org/?sort=latest&q=expertgpt
freediver|2 years ago
jcul|2 years ago
Second link I found: https://ambience.sk/quotes-from-books-the-universe-maker/
caskstrength|2 years ago
freediver|2 years ago
For example Kagi uses Google and even hosts on GCP - I think Google's technology and people are great, it is just the business model that is rotten and contributes to the deterioration of the web.
And interestingly enough, at least Discord (and to some extent Twitter) are trying to have a business model that does not put more ads down your throat (although admittedly I did cancel my Twitter subscription as unexplainably they still showed ads even when subscribing - you can't sit on two chairs).
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fLaMEd|2 years ago
Yeah I see similarities to marginalia, but it’s great to have multiple services for the small web.
I need to get my website on the lists asap!
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Gud|2 years ago
Now more than ever do we need a user friendly search engine.
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sdm|2 years ago
Well this is disappointing. It's no harder to curate other languages. You're just say you don't care.
kyleee|2 years ago