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jpalawaga | 2 years ago

Your premise is flawed. If I create a new nation and my nations social contact is one norm: no outsiders, then you can't simply be a national by agreeing to the contract.

In practice, nations prioritize their own citizens, in the same way you will prioritize your family. Do you abandon taking care of your family because it would be "more fair," to take care of someone on the other side of the planet?

Your countrymen should have aligned values, cultures, goals, missions, etc that prioritizes them. That's the fabric of society.

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Zetice|2 years ago

The problem you’re ignoring is that there is not a 1:1 correlation between citizenship and people who agree to the social contract.

Everyone who gives up freedom to the state is entering into a social contract with that state, citizenship or no. Once those people enter into that contract, they deserve all of the rights and services the contract provides.

By tying the contract to citizenship, you provide a way for racists and nationalists to steal from the people arbitrarily determined to be noncitizens, usually along racial lines.

vacuity|2 years ago

At the same time, if a surplus of noncitizens enter and suddenly the country's ability to provide for all of its people is strained, wouldn't that be a grave disservice to the citizens? What would be the difference between a citizen and a noncitizen then? Not that a country like the US is reasonably providing for a large portion of the populace anyways, so I suppose that's a moot point right now.

i_am_a_peasant|2 years ago

Preach it fellow human. I sometimes am baffled by how little a damn people in privileged positions can give about others. All they're interested in is preserving their position of privilege, and their political views and philosophy on life will typically reflect that. Personally I would give citizenship and a free house to any good hearted hard working individual and not give a damn where they come from. Our whole society would benefit if we didn't have to waste so much of our brain power just on surviving.

manuelabeledo|2 years ago

> Your countrymen should have aligned values, cultures, goals, missions, etc that prioritizes them. That's the fabric of society.

12% of the US population are second generation immigrants [0]. Obviously, third generation percentage is even higher.

Good luck reconciling that with your thoughts on what a "nation" should be.

[0] https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publicatio...