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comandillos | 2 years ago

Anyone living in Germany with an EV should know pretty well that this is pretty much the case already anywhere in the country.

The incredible amount of HPC (> 150kW) chargers you can find even in the most remote rural areas in Germany is simply crazy, mostly thanks to the large amounts of german dealerships with HPC chargers (such as Porsche), gas stations like Aral with their own charging network, or even rest areas with IONITY or other providers... and lets not take into account Tesla SuC, as that would increase the number even more.

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freddie_mercury|2 years ago

Yeah it isn't clear to me from the details currently available that this is much more than a PR stunt.

A quick Google tells me that Germany has around 15,000 petrol filling stations and already has around 90,000 public charging points.

Even if we assume that not a single petrol filling station has a charging point...and also assume that the not yet even proposed law is going to require a minimum of 2 charging points per station...that still only increases the supply by 30%.

We can all imagine variations on those parameters that make it look better or worse. Maybe they'll be required to have parity in numbers between petrol & EV pumps? But without anything concrete about the law, it is hard to know what there is to even discuss here yet.

piquadrat|2 years ago

Only about 7000 of those are HPCs (150kW+)[1]. This proposed law mandates at least 150kw per charge point, so it would more than triple the amount of HPC charge points.

In general, it makes a lot of sense to differentiate between slow chargers (usually AC, 11-22kW, installed at home, at work, in parking lots), DC fast chargers (50-100kw, often installed at grocery stores and similar) and HPCs (150kw+, often installed along highway corridors, enabling longer trips). They all serve different purposes.

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/technology/germany-added-35-more-ele...

Timon3|2 years ago

Even if it only increases the supply by 30% it might be a massive help. The raw number isn't as important as the distribution. If all the charging stations currently are in hotspots, rural areas don't benefit from them. But rural areas have gas stations which this law will affect.

LargoLasskhyfv|2 years ago

Funny that you're talking about Tesla. About 2 months ago, while I've been in Germany for about 2 weeks I've been in a shopping mall in sleepy Hamburg. Incredibly late shopping, because that fucking mall closes at 20:00. Imagine. Took a shortcut through the parking spaces. Met two lost Danes in their Tesla, asking for the way to the chargers. Couldn't answer because I don't care about that stuff. As it happens, there ARE superchargers there, just not acessible after 20:00 because entry into the whole parking space is impossible, by turnpike/tollgate/barrier. Next SuC for HH at the Airport, or some car dealership in Norderstedt, about 10 to 12 km away from there. I know that now because I checked online, because I couldn't believe that. Just rechecked again, it's still shown as open 24/7 while in reality closed after 8 PM, and not open at all on sundays. Djörrmänny! I'm lovin' it! Aharrharrharr! Elende Schnarchnasen!

mousetree|2 years ago

This is news to me. I only see the 11kw chargers in Berlin but perhaps I just don’t know where to look