[thisiswater]

We have known this is coming for decades, we have known it will be devastating to the sustainability of human civilization as it exists. Little to nothing has been done in a timely manner. And now it's here.

In my opinion there's a kind of Accelerationism going on here, where those who contribute the most to global warming also believe that they will be insulated from the effects, and therefore are the least inclined to address the issue. They're probably not wrong.

That is, those with wealth and power believe in climate change - they just don't care if monsoonal crops fail or northern India becomes uninhabitable. Denialism was always a strategy, not a serious strain of thought.

Eat the rich.

[myshpa]

> We have known this is coming for decades, we have known it will be devastating to the sustainability of human civilization as it exists. Little to nothing has been done in a timely manner.

You're right, we're growing exponentially in a finite environment.

https://futureearth.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/great_acc...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Acceleration

I wonder how long it will take for the population to accept that the the need for growth is encoded in our system's very structure, in its financial system that prioritizes accumulation, exploitation, and pollution over sustainability and equality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_overshoot

We're in overshoot. If we were sane, we would work on reducing our consumption, but instead, everybody's just trying to preserve the business-as-usual path for as long as possible, no matter how unsustainable it is.

Maybe we need to start thinking about new ways of managing things.

[lossolo]

First, we created colonialism and robbed the Global South of their resources and their future. Then, we exported most of the pollution from our production to the Global South. Now, due to our lifestyle, we are making the Global South pay for climate change, as they are projected to be the most affected based on data. While doing this, we are trying to make ourselves independent from fossil fuels so that we are not dependent on the Middle East anymore. Once we achieve this, we can claim that the Global South is polluting the rest of the world while we are emission-free. We may then threaten sanctions or even invoke casus belli in some cases where our interests are at risk. But hey we are the good guys.

[hdjjhhvvhga]

This kind of rhetoric doesn't change anything. Everybody needs to feel responsible. The richer countries need to help the poorer ones. Pointing fingers is fine for political activism but when it comes to real action, everybody needs to take it because everybody is affected.

[seizethecheese]

When you say eat the rich, you’re surely referring to the western middle class (who are the global 1%) right?

[thisiswater]

Yes, that is a reasonable response. I will allow the reader to draw their own lines.

[notsound]

When you wrote this argument, you're surely referring to what they actually said right?

[pipo234]

Accelerationism

Learned a new word today, thanks. Had to google that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism

Very depressing...

[thisiswater]

Acknowledge the sadness, but fight the depression. Act. We can only do our best.

[belter]

After reading it it, sounds like old fashioned Terrorism, coated under rose sugar flavors of right-wing pseudo intellectualism...

[ngmc]

Yep. For a bit more context, here’s the Wikipedia article on climate justice:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_justice

The “Disproportionality between causality and burden” section makes me sad.

[29athrowaway]

Who is going to tell people to have fewer children? or to "lower" their lifestyle? It is taboo.

Who is going to tell people that the concept of tourism does not scale? and the most resources you require, the most inefficient you are?

Not the political authorities, influencers or people admired due to their lifestyle (who happen to be the most influential).

The people compulsively consuming resources should be given some form of mental health support so they stop marsforming the planet.

[Izkata]

> Who is going to tell people to have fewer children?

No need really, most (all?) western countries and large swathes of the rest of the world are already below replacement rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fer...

[Euphorbium]

It is venusforming.

[jibe]

We have known this is coming for decades, we have known it will be devastating to the sustainability of human civilization as it exists.

You are promising devastation to human civilization, but all we have is a hot summer. Even got an end to the drought in California!

If you want to fight climate change, you have to be real about it. Doomsday hyperbole backfires and gives ammunition to people who don't acknowledge that the climate has been warming.

[thisiswater]

Ocean Acidification:

https://ocean.si.edu/conservation/acidification/ocean-acidif...

Effects of Ocean Acidification on shell formation:

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep21076

https://www.epa.gov/ocean-acidification/effects-ocean-and-co...

This does not come with a silver lining. Imagine, by rough analogy, the effects on the ecosystem if every bug on the planet began struggling to form its exoskeleton.

[swader999]

Why will it be devastating? More food? Longer growing season?

Put it this way, where is humanity suffering from the current hot temperature? Deaths are still far higher due to cold.

We are better off now at these CO2 levels than we were in the past century.

https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields

[deanCommie]

The world's climate has been consistent for most of the history of modern humanity - certainly since the advent of farming - until the 20th century.

Where humans grow their food is where they've been growing the same food for THOUSANDS of years.

Industrialization has certainly improved yields and the scale but by and large the spaces we allocate for farming have been chosen because they are optimal for the specific plants we grow there.

Rapidly changing climate means many of these locations will no longer be efficient or effective.

The regions of the world that are becoming more comparably temperate and perhaps theoretically would be the new ideal do not have the nutrients in the soil to be effective.

And anyways as long as the climate continues to evolve rapidly, they will not stay stable for long.

This isn't as simple as "We'll just start growing our food 100 kilometers to the north" and nothing else changes.

[xctr94]

Are people this dense?

Do you understand that last ~2C the permafrost melting accelerates climate change out of our control, and that the end result in a post-5C world is that the ozone layer goes to shit because of all that methane?

Do you understand food production shutdowns once we get beyond a certain carbon threshold?

It’s warmer now, but it won’t be very nice when you have to live in a cave because skin cancer will develop so quickly.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees:_Our_Future_on_a...

[vkou]

If you want a long answer, ask a farmer.

If you want a short answer 'Because even minor temperature variations play havoc with agricultural output. And 1.5 C isn't minor. Nor is it the limit for climate change - it's just the starting point.'

[throwbadubadu]

Yeah, everything will be great, even 'Russians will spend less money on fur coats.' as that one guy said...

[wolverine876]

> those who contribute the most to global warming also believe that they will be insulated from the effects

I think they are just not facing reality, and that has been normalized by the very effective climate disinformation campaign (i.e., climate denial). People follow the herd, they do what's socially acceptable, and that campaign has made it acceptable enough (which is its goal).

The power lies in that campaign (by the same general grouping that uses disinformation for all sorts of other purposes too). That's what needs to be addressed. Fix that and we fix lots of things.

[Exoristos]

"... And now it's here." Well that's a relief. To hear some people talk, you'd think now we'd be living in devastation.

[cdelsolar]

We are