[nixle]

I too hate the hundreds of well known bugs that I constantly run into. I hate it! Oh wait, no that just trolling BS.

<3 Flash <3. And I can't blame Adobe: Everybody is making billions on gaming, Apple takes away 30% of all of it. That's crazy! Adobe now has the most awesome tools, probably invested a lot. I can't blame them for wanting a piece of the action. And the best part: If you don't use BOTH Alchemy and Stage3D you don't have to pay a dime. <3

[fruchtose]

>I too hate the hundreds of well known bugs that I constantly run into. I hate it! Oh wait, no that just trolling BS.

Flash is famous for bugs, security holes, instability. You must be living under a rock if you are unaware of these issues.

Oh, and next time you call the parent a liar, you might want to make sure his job is not a Flash game developer, as Michael Reitzenstein clearly has more than a few hours of Flash under his belt.

[reitzensteinm]

Yeah, I've made my living pretty much exclusively on Flash since 2008. Life got significantly easier once I moved away from Adobe's tools to Haxe, and started using as little of their APIs as possible.

I regret my ranty tone of my original post, but I stand by my criticisms of the platform. Flash had solidly won the chicken and egg race for web plugins 10 years ago. Success since then has not been based on technical merit, they've just been coasting.

Only when WebGL was already implemented in a sizeable proportion of browsers did they even bother to put 3D in the platform! Name me another instance where a company has been out innovated by a standards board and maybe I'll retract my point.

[nixle]

Sorry to break up your little circle-jerk here, but if you really need to bring security holes into the discussion you have lost already. You understand the the type of security holes that are found in the Flash player to not concern the average gamedev, right?

And all the AS3 core functionality runs pretty solid, please show me these mayor bugs you talk about. I've also been a game dev for many years and started out at Flash before finding my place with one of the bigger studios. I still use Flash regularly to bounce ideas around and I still love it. If you really run into that many issues with Flash these are probably performance related and you should probably move on to a higher level language because you have outgrown the AS3 api.