[wmal]

Cartography can also model any consistent universe, and I fail to see how that changes anything for the “it’s just a model” argument.

We can permutate and enumerate symbols for mountains, rivers and roads on a piece of paper. Maybe we would even get some “interesting” results like a map of the Lords of the Rings universe. How would that change anything?

[jplusequalt]

I think you are both getting lost in the weeds trying to make this metaphor work, or not work.

Math is simply the logical conclusion of a set of conditions someone accepts as inherently true. If this, then that. Follow this logic far enough and you end up where we are today.

[naasking]

I think this conflates logic and mathematics. Some would dispute that logic underpins mathematics. Counting can be analyzed logically, but it does not in any meaningful sense seem to depend on logic.

[naasking]

Show me a cartographic map of a 5-dimensional universe.