[rozularen]

Interesting how the immigration policies are the biggest contributing factor to this situation. At least now that the centre-right took the government and is trying to fight against the outcome of those policies, the opposition agrees with their proposed measures.

Meanwhile in other countries (e.g. Spain) the left don't want to face the very same issues (although we don't have that many fireguns related crimes, in our case the weapons of choice are usually machetes, knives, etc...)

[Legogris]

> Interesting how the immigration policies are the biggest contributing factor to this situation.

If you listen to the PM, yes. Another major factor (actually the biggest?) is Sweden's among European countries relatively unique hardline and boneheaded stance on recreational drugs including cannabis, which has contributed to growth and strengthening of criminal gangs who fund themselves and maintain territory by drug trade, simultaneously silently pushing otherwise law-abiding citizens into the criminal sphere, furthering the split into parallel societies. Basically the opposite of the Portugal approach. There are arguments that the law on sex work (buying sexual services is a crime; selling is not) has been having similar effect.

If you believe it was naivete behind the open immigration policy, well, you could still say the same here.

[BrandoElFollito]

The drug laws in France are the same if not more conservative (they include denial for medical use of cannabis for instance).

Same for euthanasia. At least we have a strong abortion law thanks to Ms Veil and others that fought for it in the 70's.

[DavidVoid]

The main issue is integration, not immigration. City planning and free school choice plays a big part imo. If most immigrants from poor countries end up living in the same areas and having their kids go to the same schools as each other, then you'll inevitably end up with situations like this.

And I'm sure the archaic drug legislation and a few details about the court system play a part too.

[twelve40]

> immigrants from poor countries end up living in the same areas

how can this ever be changed? it's a free country so these people have freedom of movement and of course they will choose to live next to their friends and relatives. Unless you propose to forcibly disperse them away from each other?

[Red_Tarsius]

Can you point to any place where integration between widly different cultures worked on the long term? One place where mass immigration didn't result in the erosion of social trust, safety concerns and political divide through ethnic lines?

[letrowekwel]

Integration is exponentially harder if you're a (potentially traumatized) and uneducated asylum seeker from a poor country, compared to someone who migrates for work and already holds some qualifications. So, in that sense Sweden's migration policies are to be blamed, since the country has received way more asylum seekers per capita than most other EU countries.

Apparently Sweden has the highest gap between employment rate of citizen and non-EU citizen in the whole European Union. I think it's mainly because so many migrants arrived to seek asylum rather than work. But yes, city planning and ineffective legal system do not exactly help either.

[user_named]

Why would that cause any problems if it's not the immigrants committing the crimes. Yes, immigration is the problem.

[tim333]

A lot of the issue it seems to me is not immigration per sei but who you let immigrate. Let in PhDs and medics and no problems. Let in illiterate drug gangs as in Sweden and much problems.

[renegat0x0]

Uncontrolled immigration can be a problem, since there is no integration that could handle the amount.

[jacooper]

Its depends on how its handled. Germany took even more immigrants, and it doesnt have the same issues, at least not to the same degree.

[skippyboxedhero]

Because Germany took different immigrants.

Sweden was one of the countries which specifically took the refugees that other countries didn't want: Somalian, Eritrean, Syrian, Afghan, etc. If you look at other countries that have taken people from these countries, the same thing has happened but at a lower level. Sweden went as far as it is possible to go, they let anyone in and gave them citizenship immediately...this is the result, that is why they have had particularly severe problems.

I will also gently point out...the recent wave of illegal immigration into Europe is coming from these countries again. Other countries are represented, some of these have their own issues but the specific issues with people from one or two of the countries above (I won't name which) are well-known and exist in every other country they have ended up (in the case of one, this has been going on since the mid-90s...the reason why no-one wanted them before is because countries have tried to take them before...and it didn't work, Sweden had very specific beliefs about integration that guided their decisions...and they turned out to be very wrong).

[temporarara]

They definitely have issues with immigrant gangs though, and they are looking for solutions, see for example: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-crime-deportations/a-66467396

There it is said that only a third of the gang members are German citizens. They've got like 100 gangs that matter there, and pretty much all are Turkish (Kurds too, not that specific ethnicities matter too much but the point here is that they are immigrant gangs and they are a direct result of the immigrant policies).

[rozularen]

I think the biggest difference is that for immigrants, Germany is seen as country where one can prosper, have a good job and a nice car because of its strong economy while Spain is seen as a paradise where you can live a decent life on government subsidies because of its policies, also the weather and culture.

Edit: I must add that here in Spain we have the "okupa" problem where people occupy unused houses for years sometimes before a judge rules they should be taken out.

[nradov]

Really? Quite a few Germans seem to regret that now.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53517022

https://www.dw.com/en/new-years-eve-in-cologne-5-years-after...

[NDizzle]

More immigrants per capita?