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nezirus | 2 years ago

Yeah, lets treat all "sides" equally, since they are all bad (sarcasm ends)

Go to https://www.icty.org/, read about cases, verdicts and pleas:

https://www.icty.org/en/cases/key-figures-cases care to search for the GENOCIDE word in there?

Serbia did bad the things in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and was going to do the same in Kosovo until NATO bombarded them. (Kosovo was already critical in 80ies)

That doesn't absolve any party of the commited (war) crimes, but it is perfectly clear who was/is the regional bully and who commited aggression against neighbours.

I also don't buy tipical lines "they all hate each other", or this is the revenge for what " they" did to "us" in WW2, WW1, during Ottoman times, during Roman times ... Historical crimes are not excuse for new ones, vicious circle must stop somewhere.

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C6JEsQeQa5fCjE|2 years ago

Everything you wrote is correct, and I would just like to add that in all the wars during the 90s, all Serbia had to do in order to avoid war was to not attack other countries and support paramilitary groups inside other countries. They were not defending their territory, they were invading others. Same with this possible invasion that they might be preparing right now, all Serbia needs to do is not attack.

Trying to paint this as "all groups hate and massacre each other" is equating the motives of the attacker/invader/bully with the victim, and is just pure propaganda or invention of alternate reality in order to soothe one's guilty conscience. To draw a parallel with something more people might be able to more clearly visualise, Serbia is the armed robber that breaks into your house and starts stealing your stuff and beating you, your wife and your children. By the logic of the "all sides" propaganda here, you are engaging in "mutual hatred" if you try to defend yourself.

helij|2 years ago

This reads like propaganda piece. Today we know it was not black and white like that. Balkans is relatively peaceful these days yet we see constant attacks on Serbs in Kosovo (primary school got demolished the other day which is pure fascism) and sometimes in eastern Croatia as well (not allowing the use of Serbian language/Cyrillic alphabet).

All in all when can we expect Serbs to have paid their 'debt' not to see attacks on Serbian children anymore for example?

You bring a lot of past into the debate and somehow try to portray that Serbs today are guilty and deserve it when they get oppressed, beaten or killed. Sounds like a witch hunt to me.

Just today three more Serbs were beaten by police in Kosovo.They accused them of illegally crossing the border, booked them and then let them leave. Those three people went home to their houses in, wait for it ... Kosovo. Fine, if they illegally crossed the border you book them. No need to beat them right. But unfortunately this is now standard procedure there.

from|2 years ago

You are aware that Milošević and Tuđman both agreed to carve up Bosnia, right? And there was Varivode, "Operation Storm" where the Krajina Serbs who didn't flee quick enough were raped and pillaged, and a whole bunch of other cases. Milošević, the JNA, Srpska, or the Serb "volunteer guard" may have been the worst but there are plenty of contenders for second place. Not to mention the Bosnian mujahideen.