[22289d]

Edit: thought of a better example - Donald Trump getting banned from most social media. If they were seeking to maximize outrage, they wouldn't do that. They'd assign an employee to moderate everything he posted if they had to, but they'd keep him there, manufacturing outrage.

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Twitter and Reddit would both be examples of the types of platforms you're referring to, that benefit from this outrage. And neither seems to want to maximize it.

In the case of Twitter, they prompt you to rephrase your Tweet if the algo thinks it's likely to offend people. If you post too much of that type of stuff, you get a form of lite-shadowban.

Reddit has for years coached people to 'remember the human' and backs it up with various rules and bans. They want people to treat each other well.

Is either platform successful in their attempts? Arguably, no. But that wasn't my point, I was addressing the claim that they seek to maximize outrage.

[ekianjo]

> Reddit has for years coached people to 'remember the human' and backs it up with various rules and bans. They want people to treat each other well.

Are you saying that Reddit is a good example? Because that would be a laughable point to make

[22289d]

A good example of what? A platform not seeking to maximize outrage?

Yes. They banned the Donald Trump subreddit. That one subreddit produced more outrage than probably everything else in the history of Reddit combined. And they banned it. A company seeking to maximize outrage would not do that.

[softg]

Twitter and Reddit are corporations that have to give the outward appearance of civility for advertisers and regulators. I don't think they're sincere. Their business model relies on engagement, and outrage drives up engagement.

[22289d]

So what you're saying is deep down they wish they could maximize outrage but they don't because they want to appease advertisers and regulators.

We're not disagreeing. I wasn't speaking to what's in their heart, only to what they actually do.

[ImHereToVote]

FYI. This is the tweet he got banned for:

"I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!" 06 Jan 21

I can't link to the tweet. But it has been reinstated on Twitter after the acquisition.

[22289d]

I'm unsure if you're making some kind of argument or just adding a footnote.

If that's an argument, it doesn't change anything about what I said.

[plagiarist]

Are you perhaps overly pedantic and focused too much on the idea of "maximizing outrage to exclusion of everything else" instead of "finding a local maxima of outrage that doesn't upset our advertisers or actually drive people away?"

[22289d]

I addressed a very specific claim someone made - that they seek to maximize outrage. And that is all I addressed. I am not interested in broadening the scope and defending everything about every social media platform - as that's what this will turn into if I do not diligently keep the goalposts exactly where I set them.

[tremere]

reddit is a funnel away from establishment media toward sites like bitchute and obscure conspiracy groups. Every shadowban is a new alt-right acolyte.

You're a fool if you think that the way reddit handles content moderation does not create angry people.

[22289d]

i said they do not seek to maximize outrage.

please keep the goalposts right there and address only that one specific argument. as it's the only argument i'm making.

[AlecSchueler]

> Reddit has for years coached people to 'remember the human' and backs it up

Tell that to the volunteers over at /r/BanFemaleHateSubs

Reddit does about the minimum it can to avoid signifiant media backlash.

[22289d]

As per my original comment:

>Is either platform successful in their attempts? Arguably, no. But that wasn't my point, I was addressing the claim that they seek to maximize outrage.

[beepbooptheory]

So wait, there are a significant number of all-women hate subreddits? Such that they need to make another subreddit to ban them? What are they hating? Why is it a problem? Is it that they dont let men take part in the hating too?

I don't know about reddit enough and just struggling to even guess the context here.