They failed because theological problems cannot be solved by political negotiations.
For Jews, Israel is the promised land.
For Muslims, the entire universe belongs to those who follow Allah.
Therefore it is a zero sum game.
The problem with "secular" thinking about these issues is that secular people have no innate understanding of religious fanaticism and do not understand the supremacist worldview of Abrahamic faiths. Perhaps that is one reason behind their constant need for building secular narratives of history ignoring repeating patterns.
Pretty much full skeleton of an argument. Nevertheless, there s more insidious element, pretty much Tabu to add. The blatant double standards in applying the standards of International law and UN resolutions, as well as moral law of the west in addressing the inevitable results of ignoring them.
There has been written dozens upon dozens of books, one can go to UN resolution back to 70 years, every year dozens broken resolution by Israel. As per UN resolution Israel is occupying force, illegal settlements should be dismantled, as per international law armed resistance to occupation is allowed. In fact, to be consistent the EU and west should blockade Israel (economically, politically, culturally, militarily as they did with RU) until it withdraws to international borders. It seems, no pun intended, there is clearly nationalistic and ethnical element in the way West applies the law and projects its power one can argue with too much evidence in favor for such interpretation (and it is very sad to not have it in the conversation).
One cannot have it both ways, except politicians -- which then creates out of very simple situations very tragic ones for all parties involved.
I think people are starting to understand, when they hear about gangs of Muslim men raping and killing women and children, in war and otherwise, which is exactly what this vile religion promotes. They do this just as their 'prophet' did this. It's one of the religions that deserves to be wiped off the map completely for the betterment of humankind.
Israel is mostly secular country which was founded by secular people. The "god promised land" is narrative that is used by extreme religious right. It's way out of mainstream in Israel
[+] [-] ta_vf7xjd34cc|2 years ago|reply
For Jews, Israel is the promised land.
For Muslims, the entire universe belongs to those who follow Allah.
Therefore it is a zero sum game.
The problem with "secular" thinking about these issues is that secular people have no innate understanding of religious fanaticism and do not understand the supremacist worldview of Abrahamic faiths. Perhaps that is one reason behind their constant need for building secular narratives of history ignoring repeating patterns.
[+] [-] goatsneez|2 years ago|reply
There has been written dozens upon dozens of books, one can go to UN resolution back to 70 years, every year dozens broken resolution by Israel. As per UN resolution Israel is occupying force, illegal settlements should be dismantled, as per international law armed resistance to occupation is allowed. In fact, to be consistent the EU and west should blockade Israel (economically, politically, culturally, militarily as they did with RU) until it withdraws to international borders. It seems, no pun intended, there is clearly nationalistic and ethnical element in the way West applies the law and projects its power one can argue with too much evidence in favor for such interpretation (and it is very sad to not have it in the conversation).
One cannot have it both ways, except politicians -- which then creates out of very simple situations very tragic ones for all parties involved.
[+] [-] kikkud|2 years ago|reply
[+] [-] tguvot|2 years ago|reply