> These filters have been obsolete since a long time, no content blockers is using these. They are just being spread by non-official sources since at least last June
Maybe it's just A/B testing, but I got the "3 strikes and no more video playback" thing, which this DOM element blocking doesn't work around it seems :(
After years of procrastinating, I'm finally gonna get around to setting up a basic homelab to run pihole. Thanks, youtube execs and bean counters, for kicking my lazy ass into gear on this!
In a way, I kinda wish that ads worked as well as youtube suggestions. If one has good enough willpower / mental health to not use youtube as a coping device, suggestions are really amazing. I've seen so many great conference talks and other videos that have O(100) views that I would have never heard about otherwise. Ads, however, still think I'm gonna overpay for aliexpress drop-shipped items, or that I need to make a basic purchase into a way of life (e.g. that cooler company that now is somehow a lifestyle brand).
Mate if you get so much value from YouTube that you'll jump through these hoops just to use it without ads, why not just subscribe to premium? Personally it's by far my most bang-for-buck service.
The "only 3 more videos" thing is easy to get around (at least it was for me): Turn your adblocker off, and watch YouTube until an ad plays. Then, turn your adblocker back on. I don't even get the anti-ad blocker popups anymore.
I welcome the block frankly. Youtube is both a productivity hole and a recreation hole. I welcome more actual entertainment and work back into my life.
This sounds like Valve's "piracy is a service problem" ethos, butvfor ads, where YouTube is crossing the threshold of making the ads so inconvenient their efforts will be counterproductive (but not quantifiably counterproductive to bean counters... Yet.)
This might not be the "correct" solution, but it works for me. Has Gorhill (uBO's developer) provided a better solution? If so, would someone mind posting the full and complete set of steps?
This is nice and all for now while YouTube allows dismissal of the warning. However, YouTube could go nuclear and just not allow any video to play at all if an ad blocker is detected. No DOM element removal will solve that. I'm not sure if that qualifies as scorched earth on YT's part, but it is an option.
Note that the ublock origin creator has specifically recommended you don’t do custom filters like this because it can mess up elements that the other filtersets are keying on, and it’s not guaranteed to be stable over time. So something like this can actually result in you seeing ads, if it becomes stale. Which it will because YouTube is changing this up every day, practically.
The best defense is to purge caches and update filter sets every day.
I think the only "happy ending for everyone" if Google is going to ban ad-blockers for YouTube is if they make the ads less annoying.
What makes YouTube's ads annoying:
- the number of them
2 ads at the start is way too much. 1 max.
Middle of video ads should be content creator controlled.
- the ads they choose to show
Google showing me the same few very annoying (to me) ads and gives me no option to avoid those specific ads.
I have done the unthinkable and given up on YouTube as a daily site I visit. Now I will only visit it if I have to - e.g. someone link to it. Yes, I hate those specific ads that much.
The happy ending here would be Google being less monopolist with video streaming.
Google has done an outstanding job to use their position making YouTube the streaming platform of the Web, GCP incentives, dominance in smart TV, Google account integration, Android etc. This isn't mentioned enough.
Now we're seeing a strategy towards Premium and anti ad blocking patterns while they remain top and any alternatives just can't get a footing in this space to compete.
> Middle of video ads should be content creator controlled.
They are, sort of.
As a content creator you pick the position for the ads, but it doesn't mean they'll pop up there for everyone, there's only a chance they'll show up there. For example you could put mid-roll ads every minute, but youtube will only pick one of those positions so the viewer only sees an ad every 10 minutes or so, the real "cooldown time" depends on what data youtube has on the viewer.
Content creators can disable mid-roll ads completely.
This 100%. Once the client becomes too hostile, I'll just stop using the service. I've been clear of Reddit since Apollo shut down, and if ad blocks stop working on youtube, I'll just find something else to do.
Apart from just Ads, I use the "Block Element" feature of uBlock to cut down on a lot of other visual noise within sites. For youtube I block the giant rows of "related" video suggestions (which I guess you could consider as ads), and youtube shorts from showing up in my subscription feed.
I like YouTube Premium. It's worth it. For a bunch of tech people... Wouldn't we see more people wanting to pay for software, a service and intellectual property?
I'm disappointed the term "anti-anti-adblocker" isn't instead "adblocker blocker blocker". If we're going to use repetitive negatives, we might as well lean into it.
If you have a VPN with a Ukraine location, you can set it to there and purchase YouTube Premium for ~$2.70/month. That's what I just ended up doing. I use Mullvad as my vpn provider.
Lots of people here who seem to think that the only viable options are to pay what they view is an exorbitant subscription fee, watch ads, or block ads. There is, of course, a third option. Nobody is forcing you to watch YouTube. You can just not do that.
It’s funny to look back on all the people who were doing the “see, the world didn’t fall apart just because apple had to allow sideloading” over the last month. Like the law didn’t even come into effect yet and google is already flexing their monopoly power / browser monoculture, but people think that just because the internet didn’t explosively destruct overnight that everything is gonna be just fine.
See also, the “well, if they start abusing it, we can pass a new law to handle that!”. Yeah ok that’ll be great in 10 years, but what about now?
Manifest v3, the chrome Secure Enclave/remote attestation of ad delivery, and other measures are going to be coming down the pipe at an accelerated rate, and there's absolutely nothing to put the brakes on them anymore, because we now have a browser monoculture run by the world's largest adtech oligopoly. But people got their emotional victory over apple users and the app-review process.
Next stage: Youtube requires chrome, install it or get out. And I better see some remote attestation on that request, if you want FREE video. Why wouldn't they, when chrome/chromium control like 95% of every web request that's not iOS?
Now we get to do it again with RCS, where it's an "open" system that's chock-full of proprietary google extensions that google refuses to license or interoperate on. But everyone will nod along at how bad imessage is, and deliver us right into google's own proprietary system.
I pay for premium so this won't affect me, but it's always interesting seeing the efforts even a trillion dollar company has to go through to fight against a relative few very determined "hackers" underground.
It's not really a relative few, most estimates place ad blocking usage among web users between 25-45%. Since YT is somewhere around 10% of overall Google revenue, you're looking at up to a 5% increase in total revenue just based off of this, with basically ~all of that flowing into profit since there's not much cost. Pretty huge.
I homelab a huggin instance to scrape my favorite channels for new videos and then send them to a ytdl like program. Then it dumps them in Jellyfin. No ads, and no rabbit holes :)
Downloading the videos is always an option, but I’ve found it’s too much of a hassle when browsing content. It works really well when you’re planning on going offline, though!
I've had the same ad-blocker for ages, and I wasn't receiving any of the YT anti-ad block popups until today. Interestingly, today was when I switched my default search engine in Chrome from Google to Kagi. I have to wonder if there is some kind of evaluation of what Google-y things you use for whether the ad-block popup occurs or not.
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[+] [-] alexlur|2 years ago|reply
> These filters have been obsolete since a long time, no content blockers is using these. They are just being spread by non-official sources since at least last June
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[+] [-] raydiatian|2 years ago|reply
Fixed it for you.
[+] [-] _huayra_|2 years ago|reply
After years of procrastinating, I'm finally gonna get around to setting up a basic homelab to run pihole. Thanks, youtube execs and bean counters, for kicking my lazy ass into gear on this!
In a way, I kinda wish that ads worked as well as youtube suggestions. If one has good enough willpower / mental health to not use youtube as a coping device, suggestions are really amazing. I've seen so many great conference talks and other videos that have O(100) views that I would have never heard about otherwise. Ads, however, still think I'm gonna overpay for aliexpress drop-shipped items, or that I need to make a basic purchase into a way of life (e.g. that cooler company that now is somehow a lifestyle brand).
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But I also recommend purchasing YouTube Premium if you watch a decent amount. I find it to be a great value.
[+] [-] 3np|2 years ago|reply
Related parallel thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37881771
[+] [-] ecliptik|2 years ago|reply
Mix well with Tailscale (or your mesh VPN of choice) and enjoy.
1. https://invidious.io/
2. https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped
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https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uAssets/issues/19976
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[+] [-] paulmd|2 years ago|reply
The best defense is to purge caches and update filter sets every day.
edit: from another comment: https://x.com/gorhill/status/1713305785659211991
[+] [-] TerrifiedMouse|2 years ago|reply
What makes YouTube's ads annoying:
- the number of them
2 ads at the start is way too much. 1 max.
Middle of video ads should be content creator controlled.
- the ads they choose to show
Google showing me the same few very annoying (to me) ads and gives me no option to avoid those specific ads.
I have done the unthinkable and given up on YouTube as a daily site I visit. Now I will only visit it if I have to - e.g. someone link to it. Yes, I hate those specific ads that much.
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[+] [-] CommanderData|2 years ago|reply
Google has done an outstanding job to use their position making YouTube the streaming platform of the Web, GCP incentives, dominance in smart TV, Google account integration, Android etc. This isn't mentioned enough.
Now we're seeing a strategy towards Premium and anti ad blocking patterns while they remain top and any alternatives just can't get a footing in this space to compete.
[+] [-] nodja|2 years ago|reply
They are, sort of.
As a content creator you pick the position for the ads, but it doesn't mean they'll pop up there for everyone, there's only a chance they'll show up there. For example you could put mid-roll ads every minute, but youtube will only pick one of those positions so the viewer only sees an ad every 10 minutes or so, the real "cooldown time" depends on what data youtube has on the viewer.
Content creators can disable mid-roll ads completely.
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No ads when you are driving - since you can't skip them
[+] [-] stephc_int13|2 years ago|reply
I tend to spend too much time watching YT anyway. This will help saving some time to do useful work or gaming instead.
[+] [-] flakes|2 years ago|reply
Apart from just Ads, I use the "Block Element" feature of uBlock to cut down on a lot of other visual noise within sites. For youtube I block the giant rows of "related" video suggestions (which I guess you could consider as ads), and youtube shorts from showing up in my subscription feed.
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See also, the “well, if they start abusing it, we can pass a new law to handle that!”. Yeah ok that’ll be great in 10 years, but what about now?
Manifest v3, the chrome Secure Enclave/remote attestation of ad delivery, and other measures are going to be coming down the pipe at an accelerated rate, and there's absolutely nothing to put the brakes on them anymore, because we now have a browser monoculture run by the world's largest adtech oligopoly. But people got their emotional victory over apple users and the app-review process.
Next stage: Youtube requires chrome, install it or get out. And I better see some remote attestation on that request, if you want FREE video. Why wouldn't they, when chrome/chromium control like 95% of every web request that's not iOS?
Now we get to do it again with RCS, where it's an "open" system that's chock-full of proprietary google extensions that google refuses to license or interoperate on. But everyone will nod along at how bad imessage is, and deliver us right into google's own proprietary system.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs...
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I pay for premium so this won't affect me, but it's always interesting seeing the efforts even a trillion dollar company has to go through to fight against a relative few very determined "hackers" underground.
[+] [-] somsak2|2 years ago|reply
https://backlinko.com/ad-blockers-users
https://www.insiderintelligence.com/insights/ad-blocking/
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