Spain tech job market is facing a hiring freeze

[angarg12]

When I finished my degree in Spain 15 years ago, programmers weren't a well paid or well regarded job. In fact I used to live paycheck to paycheck (making less than some of my friends in non-tech jobs), and programming was considered "for nerds".

I think this didn't change much for the following decade, but COVID turned the tables. Suddenly Spanish programmers could take jobs for global companies for very competitive salaries. I've heard of people making 70-80k euros working from home, which is more than 2x the average national. Recently someone told me that when they offered a Spanish programmer a job for 100k USD, she started crying.

So the "correction" that we are seeing seems more like a logical consequence of the contracting job market, plus the move away from remote work for many companies. It seems more like a correction than a crisis.

[throw__away7391]

> programmers weren't a well paid or well regarded job...and programming was considered "for nerds"

It was similar in the US in the 90s. The pay was OK but nothing compared to the past 15 years or so, and socially it was not well regarded at all. The movie "Office Space" depicts what it was like pretty accurately.

[benreesman]

There’s going to be a “counter-correction”.

They’ve tried this before: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust...

All the major Internet properties are falling to pieces. I’ve encountered more hung GMail loading screens and empty IG story trays (which should be impossible if feed loads at all) in the last week than in the decade starting at 2012.

GPT-4 didn’t go hyperbolic or whatever, the regular Internet needs to keep working after all.

They’ll keep kicking for a few more months, they really want hackers brought to heel, but rates aren’t doubling again and “AI” hasn’t hockeysticked.

[carlosjobim]

Zero Spanish programmers would have gotten hired for salaries that were worth more than the money they brought in to the company hiring them, so the only way for a "correction" is if their work is not worth much anymore. Companies do not overpay when they outsource.

Why would any company fire a Spanish programmer that brings in money to the company, only to hire somebody more expensive in-office?

[gxs]

Why do you think “leaders” are pushing for return to office?

Why do you think Paul Graham compares it to communism?

It’s not because of some culture building nonsense - it’s 2023 and by now we know it works.

They do it because they hate the leverage and mobility it gives employees. How someone can’t see why SV investors and the CEOs of various companies and the giant conflict of interest is beyond me.

[wkat4242]

Ps not calling you an idiot, that was not my intention sorry. Just frustration at work.

[rutierut]

This is a poorly translated article with a sensationalist headline. The only real facts here reflect the general trend seen in the last year where the tech job market is slightly cooling off.

[wkat4242]

I'm kinda seeing the opposite. Recruiters are falling over themselves contacting me and this wasn't the case a year ago. I'm in cyber.

It's a bit annoying because while I'm mildly interested in other opportunities, most don't even bother reading my profile and just dump their crap on me. I selected the remote only option but most jobs that are shared with me are office based or hybrid. I'm officially hybrid now but I rarely visit the office and I want to keep it that way. Offices have become horrible places now with the hotdesking.

[pylua]

Countries really need to internalize their it needs and infrastructure. It is good for the local economy and is an investment in its people .

I definitely tend to agree with the outsourcing piece. I would guess that probably has more impact than a recession.

[the_gipsy]

This is a very, very bad translation from Spanish. Barely even readable.

Also seems based on speculation.

[incrudible]

This is a horribly made website, I feel wronged for being lured into visiting it.

[jowdones]

It's a ducking scam, no less. Who the funk posted it and why don't they have an account?

[rco8786]

This site is unreadable with the pop up ads.

[juunpp]

That is an understatement. UBlock Origin is blocking 454 ads, or 92% of the page.

[tholman]

As someone that works in media/advertising, the first thing I check when I see something like this is their ads.txt [1] -- It looks like they're managed by ezoic whom you forward your entire dns and they inject ads in the middle (AI is mentioned, naturally). Definitely ruining this whole site's experience.

[1] https://samagame.com/ads.txt

[mvdtnz]

Even without the ads it's unreadable. It feels like it has been translated with a 15 year old version of Google Translate.

[cko]

I thought it was just my mobile browser (Chrome on Android) but every paragraph was followed by the same ad.

[arecurrence]

Click the reader mode button, makes it far more palatable :)

[vehementi]

uBlock origin makes it a nice text document.

[slig]

Zero BS here on Brave for Android.