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coopierez | 2 years ago

The idea that Russia or China would magically become democratic utopias without violent social upheaval is extraordinarily naive. In addition to the US just deciding to "solve seemingly intractable social problems, like drug addiction" - human-made problems caused by the same human-made systems that the article is praising.

The only thing I really feel they got close was all 10 of the "Scenario Spoilers". If they wrote an article just focusing on those instead I think all of our minds would have been truly blown. But I suppose this article was written at a particularly optimistic point in time.

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pavlov|2 years ago

In retrospect 1997-2000 was probably the most optimistic time in the entire history of mankind so far.

I’m 43 and in my heart I don’t honestly believe we will see another such era of relative peace and global alignment during my lifetime. It’s somewhat depressing. (Not for myself, but more about the prospects for my children who statistically have a 50% chance of being alive in the year 2120. The world of climate change we’re leaving doesn’t look like a happy one.)

Spooky23|2 years ago

For some people. I grew up in the country and sort of straddled two worlds.

The world of rural family farms was in the full out death spiral. The family farm worked for in rural NY had been in continuous operation since the 1600s, turned into a hobby farm circa 2001. All of the supporting ecosystem died as well. Walmart killed retail. The dying farms killed the equipment and tractor dealers, etc.

Then I went to college and it’s the land of the long boom.

It’s funny I wrote a paper in high school sort of predicting unrest etc in the 2020 timeframe. NAFTA, consolidation of industries and offshoring.

I had forgotten about it until recently, but found it and while some of the details were long, our current path wasn’t totally a surprise to a reasonably intelligent and observant 16 year old in the 90s!

Personally, I don’t share that dark vision. I think that while you’ll see strategic realignments that may have profound impact, life goes on.

cmrdporcupine|2 years ago

Are you forgetting about the Kosovo war? How about the second Chechyan war? What about the Second Intifada? I could come up with a dozen other examples. It was not an era of peace.

That peace only looked like that for Americans? In their little corner of the world? Because their dominance at the time was basically unchallenged for a short period of time.

As for prosperity, yes, it was so for our industry. But it was a bubble. A really bad one. And for most other people it was actually an era of wage/income stagnation. And then a lot of people lost a lot of money in the .com crash.

nostrademons|2 years ago

Personally I'm highly optimistic about the post-war period of ~2035. Wars usually bring about extremely rapid development and adoption of new technologies. I suspect that my kids, if they survive, will enter a world I can only dream about. Plus, killing off several billion people will alleviate resource pressures on the planet, and likely reverse global warming through nuclear winter. And world wars usually bring about the downfall of governments and major institutions, which have been major blockers to the adoption of technology on a societal level and development of a social structure that fits the world of today rather than the world of 1945.

It's going to be a pretty grim 10-15 years in the near future. I think a 50% chance of them being alive in 2120 is pretty darn optimistic; I'm figuring they have a 20-30% chance of surviving to adulthood. But if they make it, life after a population bottleneck is usually pretty good for the survivors.

boringg|2 years ago

So what are you doing to fix the problem aside from lament?

Gunax|2 years ago

> The idea that Russia or China would magically become democratic utopias without violent social upheaval is extraordinarily naive.

It happened to South Korea and Taiwan. And almost happened to Russia. I really don't think it's naive, even if it's wrong.

Everything seems obvious in hindsight.

antod|2 years ago

The end of WWII led to Germany, Japan and Italy becoming (or returning to) democracies. As well as your later examples of South Korea and Taiwan, it's understandable that it seemed like the end of the cold war could also lead to some similar results. Maybe by 97 that optimism had faded, but for a while Russia looked like it was heading towards democracy.

CommieBobDole|2 years ago

On the "Scenario Spoilers", it looks like we got (at least in part) 1, 3 (both options), 4, 6 and 9. Pretty impressive.