I learned to solder while building a keyboard and flashing IOT devices earlier this year, and can't recommend Pine64's Pinecil Soldering Iron highly enough (just be sure to pick up a capable power-source while you're there).
> The Pinecil is a smart mini portable soldering iron with a 32-bit RISC-V SoC featuring a sleek design, auto standby and it heats up to an operating temperature in just 12 seconds when paired with a sufficiently powerful power supply unit.
> -- https://www.pine64.org/pinecil/
Pinecil is surprisingly excellent. I bought it on a lark and was shocked at how fast it heats up and cools down. I'm talking a few seconds to get to temp. I don't do a lot of serious soldering but but I do I rarely bust out the Weller now that I have this little thing. I happily use it while plugged into my laptop charger.
I had basically the same experience. Got a Pinecil and built a keyboard. Love the thing, and would highly recommend it. Has also been great for modding and repairing Game Boys, Xbox 360s, GameCubes, etc. The default tip on the Pinecil v1 is my most-used, and very capable, but I've also gotten a lot of use from the finer tip cone as well as the chisel tip. I got the v2 iron as well, but still mostly use my v1. Still works great, and I guess I built up some trust with it that makes me reach for it first.
The microscope recommendations are a bit problematic, except for the mantis. When you can afford it, get yourself a binocular stereo microscope with sufficient viewing distance from the work piece. In contrast to USB microscopes, those will have no image delay, which can make hand-eye coordination difficult, allow for depth perception and have way superior image quality.
When buying a trinocular it should be a simul-focal one where the stereo microscope and the camera are focused and available all at the same time (no switching of the light path to the camera). Example for such a trinocular microscope: AmScope SM-4NTP. A bincular microscope with matching specs will be slightly cheaper.
A stereo microscope is a prominent fixture on my bench. It's on an arm so I can swing it into place. Can't recommend a brand, since mine was a dumpster dive.
I also like having a magnifying visor, so I don't have to move something to the scope. McMaster-Carr has a selection.
That is definitely the segment that I have the least hand-on experience with. I've always used the mantis in my shop and not used much else for soldering. Feel free to toss on a PR with some reccomendations/updates!
When you get up to buying meters, the main advantage of Flukes is that you can accidentally put 500 volts into them, and they survive it. When soldering, it's important to wear Jeans, or other heavy non-plastic full length pants.
You can put that into other quality meters as long as their CAT rating is sufficient and was verified by a reputable testing lab (Underwriter Labs, TÜV, etc.). Fluke isn't the only player in town with quality meters.
Also don't skimp on the meter, buy something decent. There is a lot to be said about the real life and noticeable differences in cheap and quality meters when testing or repairing electronics but in the realm of embedded device hacking I particularly found the following features handy:
- A high speed voltage bar at the bottom of the instrument which tells you if a voltage is indeed stable. You can detect the TX pin of serial lines with that. Cheap meters may have that bar but the update speed is way too slow to be useful
- A high speed and loud continuity tester. Many cheap meters (and some expensive as well) have a large delay between shorting out the leads and the buzzer going off. That's rather annoying when you can't make good contact long enough (also see below for test leads).
After working with a cheap meter for a while (Uni-T) I went for a Brymen BM869s and never looked back.
Also get yourself some high quality pointy, hard gold coated test leads. I personally can wholeheartedly recommend the Probemaster 8000 series.
I’ve fried my 3D printer board once because of using a cheap meter. My good meter was out of reach so I grabbed a closer dirt cheap one to measure the output of the 24V bed. Instantly shorted my board and welded the leads to the screw. Long story short, don’t cheap out on multimeters.
Surprised not to see a recommendation for the Rigol DS1054 series, which is another good beginner scope and generally slightly cheaper than the Sigilent.
As an aside, I'm not paid or associated or anything, but I did the hardware hacking class with this company and it was pretty good. If you're looking to get into the space it's not a bad place to start.
Its a good list, the only thing I would change is that I like a deeper workbench (30" is good 32" deep is even better) because I'll put a shelf in the back so that the test equipment can be vertical from the surface (and yet the probes can still reach the surface easily). For RF work, I've got a spectrum analyzer, vector signal generator, and an oscilloscope that are pretty much always there, and a network analyzer that I bring out when I'm trying to get debug RF networks.
And while modern (expensive) equipment is light and not so deep, if you're buying stuff used or surplus you'll end up with older gear that can be 18 or 19" deep and on a 24" deep bench that gets a bit crowded.
I finally shelled out for the Proline 32 inch deep benches and man do I love them. The overhead shelf and light are great, as is the French cleared rail.
> The last thing that you want to happen is for you to accidentally destroy a device with static electricity, In order to avoid this, it is always a good idea to get an ESD wrist strap or an ESD protective mat.
Work is a different story, and maybe it's because I've only ever done electronics work on the relatively humid east coast, but I've personally never have taken special ESD precautions during my hobby time (such as grounding my desk at home or wearing a strap), yet have never discharged static electricity through any one of my personal circuits.
Stuff has gotten a lot more robust, except for specialized things such as laser diodes. Also, once an IC is soldered onto a circuit board, it's not invincible, but less prone to damage because the capacitance on the board limits the voltage spike.
The only time I ever damaged IC's was when I had my office chair on one of those plastic mats that lets you roll your chair around on a carpeted floor. That was a static electricity generator.
If you're regularly getting static zaps during dry winter weather, on things like doorknobs, it's a sign that you need to be more careful with your electronics.
> yet have never discharged static electricity through any one of my personal circuits
How would you know unless you took precautions? Static electricity doesn't necessarily make itself obvious by arcing, yet the voltage can be high enough to damage sensitive components.
Also damage sometimes isn't obvious in the sense that that a component or circuit is killed outright. Instability, reduced lifetime and increased susceptibility to future ESD events are other known consequences of electrostatic discharges.
Nah. Modern chips generally have great ESD protections. If you aren't creating a spark, it's probably not gonna kill it.
The only time I need ESD straps is if I'm working with genuine old school metal gate 4000 series CMOS chips or some whacky, super sensitive input that ESD circuitry is omitted from because the leakage will mess it up (high end RF and ADC spring to mind).
If you're not killing anything, then probably not. It's not a bad thing to be conscientious of, but if static just isn't a problem for you and you aren't handling super sensitive components, stressing about it isn't terribly productive.
Excellent! I could quibble over details of this or that brand but that would be silly. The only category I would add is a ventilation system, especially if you have a 3D printer but even soldering and de-soldering can generate a lot of noxious fumes. Of course it depends on the environment your lab is in but assuming it's a basement or some closed in area, having a good exhaust system can be a godsend.
As a beginner, I've been a big fan of the Digilent Analog Discovery. This guide lists it under "logic analyzers", but it's also a passable oscilloscope if you don't need more than 30MHz bandwidth. Because the target market is undergraduates learning electrical engineering, it's designed to be inexpensive, doesn't take up much space, is easy to get started with, etc.
Lots of talk about soldering irons but none on lead. If you do use lead solder please treat the area as contaminated, don't touch your face, and wash your hands afterwards. Lead poisoning is a quiet and long term thing. A little bit of care upfront will prevent a sad end for your loved ones in decades.
Never verified but I was always told the fumes from lead free are more noxious than the leaded counterparts, maybe because of the higher temp requirements. Should be using a fume extractor regardless but I’ve always been more conscious of it when working with lead free.
The earliest lead-free solders were definitely not beginner-friendly. Things have improved. I prefer an alloy called Kester K100, which is lower melting and more solder-like. Others might chime in on alloys that work for beginners. Also worth considering are solder pastes that you can apply to the joint and then heat up with an iron. And flux pen.
Lead solder didn't bother me at first (I had read all the arguments about vapor pressure, solubility of lead, people's lived experiences, etc. Plus, my initial experiences with lead-free were terrible). What convinced me was when I realized how much fine solder dust I was making every time I cleaned my soldering iron tip. More than once I've had the dust from the brass sponge spill out onto my desk and leave a big grey mark.
I've been using some low-temp lead-free solder from ChipQuik in both paste and wire form, and it works perfectly fine for prototyping. It doesn't seem as strong as other solder types, but the low melting point (even lower than leaded solder) means I don't have to stress the chips as much with temperature swings (great for rework), and I can keep my iron cooler, which reduces tip oxidation.
(I'm told the stand can be found on ebay with lower shipping cost).
For oscilloscopes, Check out the new Rigol DHO800/900 series. They're super compact and USB powered, but basically have the 5000 series features and are 12-bit. The lower bandpass ones are fairly inexpensive and they're hackable to higher bandpasses (craftily, instead of eliminating hackability Rigol has made features like the logic analyzer only exist in higher end models).
I'd like to see some inexpensive options for sidechannel analysis, I've tried varrious things with SDRs monitoring shunt resistors and really had any interesting signals blasted out by LDO noise and USB noise.
Back when I worked on libsecp256k1 I really wanted to setup a CI rig that ran blind side channel analysis on a commit by commit basis, e.g. by looking at the cross correlation of aligned traces with different secret material, but I wasn't able to get something working.
- For soldering stations I think used Hakko's are very worth considering. The recommended KSGER unit is known to have design issues on older iterations such as ground issues. It can be a bit of a mixed bag whereas the high end Hakkos are a very safe bet so if you can find one at a good price I would recommend that over a KSGER-like.
- Fume extractors might be a waste of money from what I hear. I know people who do a ton of soldering that don't use them at all and I took part in a soldering course about a year ago where they said that there are a lot of regulations on what can go into the solder and the flux core so they are pretty harmless under normal circumstances. I use a kitchen fan when cooking on the stove to avoid breathing all the VOCs that get suspended in the air but when I solder I just avoid inhaling when the evaporated flux plume comes.
The CH341A requires a somewhat large warning on it, given there are still many floating around that'll happily push 5V data lines still when supposedly configured for 3.3V
Later revisions supposedly fixed this, but the reviews on the Amazon link seem to indicate it may be of older stock.
This can be fixed with fairly simple modifications luckily.
I agree. For initial stock, anyway, those cheap large variety packs are awesome. They'll also train people to check values and not assume that the markings on the parts accurately reflect what they are.
> a simple power supply.
Old computer PSUs can often be had for free, and a great first project for someone at a hardware lab would be to build a PSU breakout box to make it safe and convenient to use as a bench supply.
During the pandemic, I bought a Chinese JBC clone that takes real JBC tips. Temperature calibration was possible and it heated up fast enough, but not like a real JBC station. For 15% of the price, it's a steal and close enough.
Also got a 100 Mhz oscilloscope with paid options but hackable to 200 MHz, WiFi (COTS USB), and a 16-channel IIRC logic analyzer.
Picked up an Agilent PSU with a bad fan. That was an easy fix. Will have to calibrate it but it's already pretty close.
Then I spent too much money on a Fluke 289 DMM. The price went up significantly now, I wouldn't recommend it now.
This is a related question but how do mere mortals or scrappy hardware startups afford to work on devices with USB4? Outright purchases of USB4 capable scopes are outrageous. Rentals aren't cheap either.
The price on the "MisVision Trinocular Microscope" (it's "MinsVision" on Aliexpress) is a copy and paste error, I guess? I could only find devices like this for around 370 dollars/euros.
I think the best approach is to start taking things apart that interest you, and learn along the way. For example - on my blog I use things like arcade cabinets and home routers to introduce some hardware reversing concepts:
There is also nothing wrong with getting some of the arduino starter kits on amazon and using those to learn how to interact with various peripherals, etc.
Adafruit tutorials and Neopixels can be fun with a very low barrier to entry. Get into sensors and networking from there. The RP2040 by Raspberry Pi is a great chip to start learning with micropython.
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I can’t scroll up or down properly at all, the page is weirdly scaled to mobile with text being cut off on both left and right, and there is an odd modal up top that doesn’t work properly as it resizes itself constantly.
LanternLight83|2 years ago
> The Pinecil is a smart mini portable soldering iron with a 32-bit RISC-V SoC featuring a sleek design, auto standby and it heats up to an operating temperature in just 12 seconds when paired with a sufficiently powerful power supply unit. > -- https://www.pine64.org/pinecil/
noman-land|2 years ago
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redprince|2 years ago
When buying a trinocular it should be a simul-focal one where the stereo microscope and the camera are focused and available all at the same time (no switching of the light path to the camera). Example for such a trinocular microscope: AmScope SM-4NTP. A bincular microscope with matching specs will be slightly cheaper.
Louis Rossmann explaining in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_eQrbop-J4
analog31|2 years ago
I also like having a magnifying visor, so I don't have to move something to the scope. McMaster-Carr has a selection.
wrongbaud|2 years ago
cushychicken|2 years ago
mikewarot|2 years ago
flashback2199|2 years ago
https://www.pa3fwm.nl/technotes/tn27a-voltmeter.html
Honestly I would say cheap out on the DMM and splurge for a good oscilloscope, you get much farther with that.
But, I'm someone who doesn't do high voltage much, or really at all.
redprince|2 years ago
Also don't skimp on the meter, buy something decent. There is a lot to be said about the real life and noticeable differences in cheap and quality meters when testing or repairing electronics but in the realm of embedded device hacking I particularly found the following features handy:
- A high speed voltage bar at the bottom of the instrument which tells you if a voltage is indeed stable. You can detect the TX pin of serial lines with that. Cheap meters may have that bar but the update speed is way too slow to be useful
- A high speed and loud continuity tester. Many cheap meters (and some expensive as well) have a large delay between shorting out the leads and the buzzer going off. That's rather annoying when you can't make good contact long enough (also see below for test leads).
After working with a cheap meter for a while (Uni-T) I went for a Brymen BM869s and never looked back.
Also get yourself some high quality pointy, hard gold coated test leads. I personally can wholeheartedly recommend the Probemaster 8000 series.
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Dave's review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8jrpCoZyx8
T3OU-736|2 years ago
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ChuckMcM|2 years ago
And while modern (expensive) equipment is light and not so deep, if you're buying stuff used or surplus you'll end up with older gear that can be 18 or 19" deep and on a 24" deep bench that gets a bit crowded.
cushychicken|2 years ago
jareklupinski|2 years ago
> The last thing that you want to happen is for you to accidentally destroy a device with static electricity, In order to avoid this, it is always a good idea to get an ESD wrist strap or an ESD protective mat.
Work is a different story, and maybe it's because I've only ever done electronics work on the relatively humid east coast, but I've personally never have taken special ESD precautions during my hobby time (such as grounding my desk at home or wearing a strap), yet have never discharged static electricity through any one of my personal circuits.
Am I doing it wrong?
analog31|2 years ago
The only time I ever damaged IC's was when I had my office chair on one of those plastic mats that lets you roll your chair around on a carpeted floor. That was a static electricity generator.
If you're regularly getting static zaps during dry winter weather, on things like doorknobs, it's a sign that you need to be more careful with your electronics.
redprince|2 years ago
How would you know unless you took precautions? Static electricity doesn't necessarily make itself obvious by arcing, yet the voltage can be high enough to damage sensitive components.
Also damage sometimes isn't obvious in the sense that that a component or circuit is killed outright. Instability, reduced lifetime and increased susceptibility to future ESD events are other known consequences of electrostatic discharges.
For more information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkECJlA2Fg4
bsder|2 years ago
The only time I need ESD straps is if I'm working with genuine old school metal gate 4000 series CMOS chips or some whacky, super sensitive input that ESD circuitry is omitted from because the leakage will mess it up (high end RF and ADC spring to mind).
GravitasFailure|2 years ago
If you're not killing anything, then probably not. It's not a bad thing to be conscientious of, but if static just isn't a problem for you and you aren't handling super sensitive components, stressing about it isn't terribly productive.
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meatmanek|2 years ago
I've been using some low-temp lead-free solder from ChipQuik in both paste and wire form, and it works perfectly fine for prototyping. It doesn't seem as strong as other solder types, but the low melting point (even lower than leaded solder) means I don't have to stress the chips as much with temperature swings (great for rework), and I can keep my iron cooler, which reduces tip oxidation.
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nullc|2 years ago
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803915366071.html
I have the 180x, though I mostly use it zoomed out. Perhaps some would prefer the 120x for more working distance. Be sure to get a kit with the light.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2251832167751376.html
(I'm told the stand can be found on ebay with lower shipping cost).
For oscilloscopes, Check out the new Rigol DHO800/900 series. They're super compact and USB powered, but basically have the 5000 series features and are 12-bit. The lower bandpass ones are fairly inexpensive and they're hackable to higher bandpasses (craftily, instead of eliminating hackability Rigol has made features like the logic analyzer only exist in higher end models).
I'd like to see some inexpensive options for sidechannel analysis, I've tried varrious things with SDRs monitoring shunt resistors and really had any interesting signals blasted out by LDO noise and USB noise.
Back when I worked on libsecp256k1 I really wanted to setup a CI rig that ran blind side channel analysis on a commit by commit basis, e.g. by looking at the cross correlation of aligned traces with different secret material, but I wasn't able to get something working.
parski|2 years ago
- For soldering stations I think used Hakko's are very worth considering. The recommended KSGER unit is known to have design issues on older iterations such as ground issues. It can be a bit of a mixed bag whereas the high end Hakkos are a very safe bet so if you can find one at a good price I would recommend that over a KSGER-like.
- Fume extractors might be a waste of money from what I hear. I know people who do a ton of soldering that don't use them at all and I took part in a soldering course about a year ago where they said that there are a lot of regulations on what can go into the solder and the flux core so they are pretty harmless under normal circumstances. I use a kitchen fan when cooking on the stove to avoid breathing all the VOCs that get suspended in the air but when I solder I just avoid inhaling when the evaporated flux plume comes.
Doxin|2 years ago
Namidairo|2 years ago
Later revisions supposedly fixed this, but the reviews on the Amazon link seem to indicate it may be of older stock.
This can be fixed with fairly simple modifications luckily.
cushychicken|2 years ago
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JohnFen|2 years ago
> a simple power supply.
Old computer PSUs can often be had for free, and a great first project for someone at a hardware lab would be to build a PSU breakout box to make it safe and convenient to use as a bench supply.
cvccvroomvroom|2 years ago
Also got a 100 Mhz oscilloscope with paid options but hackable to 200 MHz, WiFi (COTS USB), and a 16-channel IIRC logic analyzer.
Picked up an Agilent PSU with a bad fan. That was an easy fix. Will have to calibrate it but it's already pretty close.
Then I spent too much money on a Fluke 289 DMM. The price went up significantly now, I wouldn't recommend it now.
In general, buy used, repair, and recycle.
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cushychicken|2 years ago
Not an easy thing to start with, I'll certainly grant you that.
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wrongbaud|2 years ago
https://wrongbaud.github.io
There is also nothing wrong with getting some of the arduino starter kits on amazon and using those to learn how to interact with various peripherals, etc.
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a1o|2 years ago
I think you don't need all that, but you can start simple with less, like a simple Arduino kit.
Also you can get some Tektronix or similar if you get used. I know I would love some old used HP or Agilent bench multimeters.
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I can’t scroll up or down properly at all, the page is weirdly scaled to mobile with text being cut off on both left and right, and there is an odd modal up top that doesn’t work properly as it resizes itself constantly.
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(oh and another 7mb gif below with extremely poor optimization)
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