[isykt]

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

[invalidname]

This is totally incorrect for the case of the Hamas and is overused as a statement. It gives a terrible name to actual freedom fighters.

The Hamas isn't an organization with freedom as its goal. It's goal is strictly holy war (Jihad) and it considers the Palestinian children it kills along the way as martyrs. It has been a cancer on the people living in Gaza and has physically stopped the peace treaty (Oslo accord) from proceeding.

[LindeBuzoGray]

Israel had a role in creating and incubating Hamas directly, as senior Israelis have admitted.

Haaretz recently printed how Netanyahu also was encouraging Hamas as he wanted war and west Bank settlement, not to make deals with Fatah.

[dopamean]

Honest question because I'm not super educated on this matter... I keep hearing all this awful stuff about Hamas: they use human shields, they're launching rockets from hospitals and churches, they dont care about the lives of Palestinian people. The only people I ever hear making these claims are Israelis and pro-Israeli westerners. I haven't heard any of these claims from Palestinian people. If it was true that they're being used as human shields by these awful thugs that are ruining their lives wouldn't there be more of an outcry against them by Palestinians? Maybe that's happening and I'm just not seeing it?

[legulere]

I agree with you on Hamas, but what do you think about the PLO which used to be designated a terrorist organisation?

[isykt]

What do you think Hamas thinks?

[robertoandred]

Those “freedom fighters” are still holding 200 Israelis hostage.

[LindeBuzoGray]

How many thousands of Palestinian prisoners has Israel been holding for years?

[2OEH8eoCRo0]

Remind me which freedom fighters target civilians?

[FrankoDelMar]

"If crime fighters fight crime, and fire fighters fight fire, then what do freedom fighters fight?" - George Carlin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wXgQWlLT1c

[mhalberstram]

Nelson Mandela? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_National_Congress

French Resistance? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance

And since when does Israel avoids civilians? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_Israeli_attacks_...

[HDThoreaun]

I really don't get this argument. Israel has easily 100x more military power than palestinians. If you come to the conclusion that the only path to freedom is violence and you're up against someone 100x more powerful than you who has imprisoned you terrorism is pretty much your only option. Anything else will just lead to your immediate annihilation. It's easy to say "follow the rules of war" when they assure your victory.

Now I don't believe Hamas is actually fighting for freedom, but if they were and israel was unwilling to negotiate it's easy to see how they decide to massacre civilians.

[readthenotes1]

Not to mention whoever it was that burned down Dresden and Tokyo

[vkou]

The ones that won the war for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba, and drove 80% of the indigenous population out of their homes at gunpoint.

(At least, they are currently hailed as freedom fighters by one side in that conflict. The Palestinians condemn them, but nobody cares what they think.)

[LindeBuzoGray]

I am watching Israel carpet bomb Gaza right now, I see Israel targeting civilians.

[petsfed]

Menachem Begin, for one.

[alangibson]

Ever heard of Sherman's March?