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> * Her name means "renown/glory of father", a really nice name for a daughter! The first part, kleos comes from kluein, "to hear", which in turn derives from the same IE root as the English word loud.

Which is not even an egyptian name, since ancient egyptian is an afro-asiatic language, not an IE language like greek. It's funny seeing africans and middle easterners fighting over who cleopatra belongs to when in actuality, cleopatra was a european woman of greek ancestry. Not african. Not afro-asiatic.

> * Cleopatra was depicted as an alien, promiscuous, and immoral woman starting with Romans (perhaps continuing the well-known Medea stereotype), up to perhaps mid-20th century.

Starting with the victorious romans. The romans who lost had different views of cleopatra. It's almost like the victors write the history.

> The debate about the color of her skin and her race became heated

It shouldn't have been because there is no question about who cleopatra was. Cleopatra was no more black than elon musk is. She was a ruler of egypt but she was not an egytian ruler. No more than queen elizabeth was an indian ruler of india.

I think language partly to blame for the confusion. There is a difference between an eqyptian queen or egyptian ruler and queen of egypt or ruler of egypt. The latter doesn't necessarly have to be eqyptian.