[HissingMachine]

I like to buy products that I'm fairly confident I can use for a long time and/or repair, for example I bought a Dissim lighter just because of that reason even if I don't need a lighter that much. And I would like to buy a phone like the Nokia ones that have good repairability and replacement parts you can buy. But the problem with gadgets like phones is that they always are middle range models, which doesn't gel well with the assumption that you are going to use them for a long time, preferably longer than the average phone. In this regard, it's actually better to buy the flagship phone because they are often good quality and remain usable for the longest period of time if they aren't accidentally broken.

So this angle really doesn't make sense to me, they either have to start offering products that compete with the flagship models, or try something like Framework is doing with laptops?

[catherd]

Any phone will lose software support pretty fast, but on the hardware side a mid-low end android device will last 4-5 years of daily use (n=3). Are you speaking from experience or is higher cost devices lasting longer something that just seems correct?

[HissingMachine]

Yeah it's true that the software support is a limiting factor also, but some manufacturers are better with it than others, like Nokia (HMD Global) which is why I use their phones. I change phones every five years, my current one is about to get to that so I'm on the market for replacement so it's on the top of my mind. My current one is a 250 euro model and I have been happy with it, but I don't game or do any heavy tasks with it so my experience is different, but I'm pretty sure that if I did game or do other tasks I would have had to change my phone way earlier, maybe even three years is pushing in this price bracket.

And I'm not making a blanket statement that higher price is equal to longer lasting, I'm fairly sure the foldable phones lose in average situations to non foldable ones just out of differences in usage and construction, and gaming phones with active cooling I guess too.

[fsflover]

> Any phone will lose software support pretty fast

My Librem 5 will have lifetime updates, since it runs GNU/Linux.