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cartucho1 | 2 years ago

His vicepresident has strong ties to the military (specifically to the sectors that made the last coup in the 70s). He has publicly opposed abortion rights, same-sex marriage, feminism in general, publicly denies climate change, is against gun control, and a large etc... He is not only economically but also socially on the far right of the polítical spectrum here.

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trealira|2 years ago

This is all I can find about his views on same-sex marriage. It seems to contradict what you're saying. He says he doesn't care.

“Si vos querés estar con un elefante... Si tenés el consentimiento del elefante, es tu problema y del elefante. No me opongo a que dos personas del mismo sexo se casen”, remarcó. Y sumó: “Para mí, el matrimonio es un contrato. Puede ser de dos partes, tres partes o 50 si uno quiere”.

My translation:

"If you want to be with an elephant... If you have the elephant's consent, it's your problem and the elephant's. I'm not opposed to two people of the same sex marrying," he remarked. And, he added, "For me, marriage is a contract. It can be between two parties, three parties, or fifty if one wants."

Edit: Another quote from the article:

“Es un contrato entre partes. ¿Qué tengo que opinar yo? Vos casate con quien quieras. El liberalismo es el respeto irrestricto del proyecto de vida del prójimo basado en el principio de no agresión y en defensa del derecho a la vida, la libertad y la propiedad. ¿En qué me agrede a mi que dos personas del mismo sexo se casen? En nada, punto uno afuera. ¿Afecta la vida de alguien? A nadie. ¿En la libertad? A nadie ¿En la propiedad? a nadie”.

It's a contract between parties. What do I think? Marry whoever you want. Liberalism is unconditional respect of the life plan of our fellow man based on the principle of non-aggression and in defense of the right to life, liberty, and property. What harm does it do to me that two people of the same sex marry? Nothing. Does it affect someone's life? No one's. Their libery? No one's. Their property? No one's.

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/politica/javier-milei-aclaro-su-...

germandiago|2 years ago

No. What you say is a caricature of him. I listened to him directly. In spanish. I am spanish.

He never opposed to same sex marriage or denied climate change. What he said is that people treat climate change as religion without any other considerations.

A libertarian is not far right. You could consider it right, but far right is just absurd. A libertarian cannot be anti-liberal in essence. Milei never defended positions of force against others and promotes respect for life, private life (he does not care who you go to the bed with or who you trade with) and private property.

Anyone who knows ehat far right is knows perfectly this is not a far right position at all.

pas|2 years ago

I hope you are right, but it's a bit silly to try to claim that there's a caricature and there's a perfectly cromulent man behind it, when his whole political persona is the former.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1692224414593478923 (the "why do you call leftists shit?" interview)

Dalewyn|2 years ago

First off, let's preface this by going over the etymology of the words "liberal" and "libertarian". Both words stem from the word liberty, which means freedom, and within the context of politics the freedom of not being burdened by authoritarian regimes and policies.

So with that out of the way, let's break down your references one by one:

>His vicepresident has strong ties to the military

This has nothing to do with liberty or even politics, this is about power. Both the left and the right want the military on their side, lest they suffer a military coup and lose power.

>opposed abortion rights

On the opposing hand it's the freedom for a newborn fetus to a prospective life, and on the supporting hand it's the freedom for a mother to do with her body as she pleases. Either way, abortion rights is a question of who's freedoms are being guaranteed and thus liberal/libertarian in nature.

>[opposed] same-sex marriage

This is squarely authoritarian and is in opposition to liberal and libertarian politics.

EDIT: It would appear this claim was made in ignorance or bad faith, so I'm striking this part out.

>[opposed] feminism in general

Assuming that "feminism" here actually refers to the phenomenon and movement of certain people wanting women to be more equal (read: more powerful) than men, this is guaranteeing the freedoms of the individual regardless of their gender and thus their equality.

>publicly denies climate change

Imposing policies based off nebulous scientific models of questionable accuracy and encouraged by pundits of questionable motivations is authoritarian.

>is against gun control

Guaranteeing the people's freedom and right to bear arms by opposing top-down regulations and policies is squarely liberal and libertarian.

>and a large government

See above.

>He is not only economically but also socially on the far right of the polítical spectrum here.

Seeing as Milei is in favor of liberal and libertarian policies, and seeing as the left likes calling themselves liberals, Milei is quite correct in saying that he's only considered "(far) right" by virtue of the left labeling everything they disagree with "(far) right".

surgical_fire|2 years ago

Just to add something to this discussion - South America is fundamentally different from the US. The region has a long and terrible history of gang violence, political and military coups, drug cartels, etc and so forth.

The last thing it needs is more guns in circulation.