There was a survey in Sweden last week about face detection/AI surveillance cameras being deployed in public and GenZ was way more supportive of that than Millennials
What makes you so sure the data in your study is truly representative of gen z?
A few months ago a study was posted on HN which claimed 30% of gen z supported police cameras being installed inside homes to protect against domestic violence.
Meanwhile, in Dunedin, the number of cameras on the street was reduced in consultation with university students (aka gen z).
How can both of these statements be true? The answer is, they aren’t- the study posted on HN was fearmongering, manipulated data, trying to discredit the younger generation, to get older people to vote a specific way.
I’m a millennial but I’m sick of this rhetoric that gen z are stupid / oblivious / complicit etc. They aren’t.
Oppression takes on many faces, are you so sure we haven't been living with some level of oppression in the US that everyone is okay with because it's all we know?
Would you consider income taxes oppression? Or maybe mandatory schooling? What about universal surveillance? Mandatory vaccinations?
By no means am I likening the US today to the many examples of much worse oppression, but oppression is a spectrum and ultimately defined by the individual who either does or does not feel oppressed.
> Aside from name-calling, I don't see an argument for your prediction.
In a thread that is filled with derision and contempt for gen z, directing criticism back the older generation is name calling? Seems the hypocrisy has been internalised and become invisible.
The broad and well-fanncanced campaign of slander against younger generation has been going on for decades, and unfortunately it is very successful.
There has never been a time in human history where old generation holds this much power and wealth relative to the younger one. Congress has never been this old, there has never been this level of exclusion of younger people from owning real estate, the future of younger generation has never been this much under threat and this ignored.
>Nonsense. This is like saying people who’ve been oppressed all their lives don’t care about being oppressed because they’ve never known another life.
it's not the same comparison; oppression is a 24/7 conditional facet of life, but only a slim percent of companies will have a data breach that results in a QoL decrease for the individual.
spotty/sporadic bad treatment is a tough condition under which to spark revolution -- if it works and keeps most people happy, it likely won't change.
look at ring cameras for example. it's a visual portal for law enforcement to enact all sorts of privacy-concerned mostly-unauthorized abusive actions, but their customers are thrilled due to the value sell of the thing itself.
this can be seen all over tech in nearly every sector, people trade their rights for a convenient/shiny/popular/trendy object willingly and brag about the transaction -- I haven't seen much evidence of the newer generations breaking this cycle, if anything they seem to be leaning-in.
Nonsense. They're fully on board and playing with that technology.
They're full on working with the face recognition with the face filters, they're advocating and promoting for the use of that at airport boarding (the new accounts on flyer talk at least are aggressively approving of it), and they're submitting pictures and selfies of their IDs as "account verification" to Facebook, linked in, and Instagram.
Not sure how old you are... But when you first signed up for Facebook would you have sent them a picture of your ID and yourself?
tapland|2 years ago
There was a survey in Sweden last week about face detection/AI surveillance cameras being deployed in public and GenZ was way more supportive of that than Millennials
shortcake27|2 years ago
A few months ago a study was posted on HN which claimed 30% of gen z supported police cameras being installed inside homes to protect against domestic violence.
Meanwhile, in Dunedin, the number of cameras on the street was reduced in consultation with university students (aka gen z).
How can both of these statements be true? The answer is, they aren’t- the study posted on HN was fearmongering, manipulated data, trying to discredit the younger generation, to get older people to vote a specific way.
I’m a millennial but I’m sick of this rhetoric that gen z are stupid / oblivious / complicit etc. They aren’t.
coldtea|2 years ago
Which is also correct. They're conditioned to consider it "normal", e.g. victims of abuse.
Doesn't have to absolutely apply to everyone in the group to be true - just to have a large effect on a significant share of group members.
_heimdall|2 years ago
Would you consider income taxes oppression? Or maybe mandatory schooling? What about universal surveillance? Mandatory vaccinations?
By no means am I likening the US today to the many examples of much worse oppression, but oppression is a spectrum and ultimately defined by the individual who either does or does not feel oppressed.
AniseAbyss|2 years ago
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rootlocus|2 years ago
> Gen z and alpha will be the ones to solve these problems after the boomer luddites making insanely uninformed decisions are out of the picture.
That's a very optimistic hope, and I dare say naive. Aside from name-calling, I don't see an argument for your prediction.
ClumsyPilot|2 years ago
In a thread that is filled with derision and contempt for gen z, directing criticism back the older generation is name calling? Seems the hypocrisy has been internalised and become invisible.
The broad and well-fanncanced campaign of slander against younger generation has been going on for decades, and unfortunately it is very successful.
There has never been a time in human history where old generation holds this much power and wealth relative to the younger one. Congress has never been this old, there has never been this level of exclusion of younger people from owning real estate, the future of younger generation has never been this much under threat and this ignored.
shortcake27|2 years ago
pif|2 years ago
itsumoiru|2 years ago
serf|2 years ago
it's not the same comparison; oppression is a 24/7 conditional facet of life, but only a slim percent of companies will have a data breach that results in a QoL decrease for the individual.
spotty/sporadic bad treatment is a tough condition under which to spark revolution -- if it works and keeps most people happy, it likely won't change.
look at ring cameras for example. it's a visual portal for law enforcement to enact all sorts of privacy-concerned mostly-unauthorized abusive actions, but their customers are thrilled due to the value sell of the thing itself.
this can be seen all over tech in nearly every sector, people trade their rights for a convenient/shiny/popular/trendy object willingly and brag about the transaction -- I haven't seen much evidence of the newer generations breaking this cycle, if anything they seem to be leaning-in.
a2tech|2 years ago
monksy|2 years ago
They're full on working with the face recognition with the face filters, they're advocating and promoting for the use of that at airport boarding (the new accounts on flyer talk at least are aggressively approving of it), and they're submitting pictures and selfies of their IDs as "account verification" to Facebook, linked in, and Instagram.
Not sure how old you are... But when you first signed up for Facebook would you have sent them a picture of your ID and yourself?
api|2 years ago