[OmarAssadi]

It's been mostly fine for me as well, but that has only been the case because of things like Xwayland; there are a large number of styles of program that are either really difficult reimplement or simply can't work without it.

Multi-window programs, for example, are difficult to get working directly on Wayland. The issue has been brought up several times [1][2]. And it's not a particularly uncommon UI-style.

For example, most video production software I've worked with allows you to popout certain components into separate windows so that you can, for example, have your timeline, which may have many tracks taking up lots of vertical space, on a separate monitor from the preview viewport. This is a really nice feature. And the lack of its presence is one of the things I really dislike about DaVinci Resolve, despite it being an otherwise great tool with some of the best, if not the best, colorgrading utilities.

This isn't something unique and niche to video production either, though; lots of photo editing, audio production, 3D modelling, CAD software, and other scientific/engineering applications have similar UI. Wayland makes it difficult, though, because there isn't a good way to request or suggest the kind of positioning these programs need [1].

Anyway, that said, I, too, have lived with a mostly Wayland desktop for a few years without too many issues, even as someone who doesn't have the most "typical" workflows or needs. So, to an extent, I think you're not wrong; the idea that Wayland is *entirely* unusable is, obviously, not true.

But again, key point, *mostly* Wayland; without Xwayland or similar, I think it'd be genuinely unusable for me and likely many others.

While the compatibility layers genenerally work well, and in many ways, still provide many of the benefits of Wayland, like security, I don't think it's unreasonable to want a better, native way to deal with some of these issues so that people can drop the additional legacy abstraction.

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[1]: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/m...

[2]: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/i...

Related:

- https://github.com/PCSX2/pcsx2/issues/10065

- https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/8692

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EDIT:

I think it's also worth noting that just because /our/ Wayland experiences haven't been too bad doesn't mean that its the case for everyone.

As I, and several others, mentioned in other comments, there are several implementations of Wayland compositors, for example. Our particular choice of components/desktop environments might be fine, but others may be more broken or intentionally lacking support for useful/semi-necessary "optional" extensions to the protocol.

It'd be one thing to intentionally pick a bad implementation as a user and then complain about it. But sometimes, people aren't aware they're using Wayland in the first place, let alone which compositor they're using.

As a developer, even if you don't care for a particular implementation, unless you do as PCSX2 did, you'll still likely need to think about everyone elses' quirks as well, because too many of your users will also be users of whatever is most problematic -- e.g., GNOME is very popular and also has/had been one of the more annoying ones.