27% of New Cars in France Now Plugin Electric Cars

[toomuchtodo]

> In October, pure electrics once again outsold PHEVs — 63% share of the plugin market vs. 37% — keeping the BEV share at 64% vs. 36% PHEV in 2023. This represents a slight increase of 2% of BEV share compared to the final 2022 result (64% vs. 62%). Added to the also slight increase in plugin share, this could mean that the French plugin market has reached the ceiling of what current models can offer — and new, cheaper EVs will be needed to break it open further in order for the EV transition to reach new heights.

[nottorp]

I wonder. Isn't that because poor people can't buy even new cheap cars these days?

So the share of electrics is there because only the rich early adopters have bought a new car lately.

[FirmwareBurner]

>I wonder. Isn't that because poor people can't buy even new cheap cars these days?

Kinda yes. Poor/average people now in France/EU will just keep using their 10 year old cars, for the next 10 years as well.

France has cheap electricity so the class of people who can afford brand new cars will definetly go for electric to save money. I bet most new car sales now are company cars anyway rather than individuals.

[snakeyjake]

>Isn't that because poor people can't buy even new cheap cars these days?

What is your definition of cheap?

The best-selling EV in France is the Dacia Spring and it is around €16k after government subsidy. The cheapest ICE vehicle is probably the Dacia Sandero, and it is around €10k.

I don't know if fuel prices would eat up the savings of an ICE car but I do know that electricity is very affordable in France.

[Symbiote]

Poor people were never buying new cars anyway.

[phero_cnstrcts]

But but but! “If you buy electric cars you never have to worry about gas prices ever again!”

[tibbydudeza]

Rather surprised by the sales of the MG 4 , a Chinese make - they bought the remains of MG Rover (MG=Morris Garage) when they went bust in the UK.

It looks rather nice for a subcompact SUV - reminds me a Corolla based Cross.

[pornel]

I'm not surprised at all. MG4 is the best bang-for-the-buck BEV you can buy in Europe.

To me more surprising is that Fiat 500e was higher in the ranking, despite costing more and having smaller battery.

MG4 also has Xpower model, which costs the same as a base model of VW ID.3, but does 0-60 in 3.5s (it's not a real sports car, but it's still ridiculous).

[ZeroGravitas]

This tool shows that an EV in France pays back it's carbon debt and overtakes gasoline after 10,000Km (roughly 1 year).

https://www.transportenvironment.org/discover/how-clean-are-...

It also lets you change country and various other parameters e.g. compare with diesel or hybrids.

Two other interesting things I noticed:

1.It lets you choose where the battery is made (China Vs EU average Vs Sweden) and it has relatively little impact.

2. It lets you choose solar panels instead of a national grid, and France's grid almost exactly matches the figure they use.

[dm319]

What are you people in France paying for electricity at the moment?

[BenoitP]

About 110€/MWh, and also the government is planning the nuclear reactors to produce around 70€/MWh from 2026 onwards.

[brianwawok]

105 EUR / MWh [0]

Google tells me 1 MWH = 105.26 liters of gas [1]

Math that out and it's basically 1 EUR per Liter of Gas

Gas seems at least 1.75 EUR / Liter, so a pretty good savings? [2]

0. https://tradingeconomics.com/france/electricity-price

1. https://hextobinary.com/unit/energy/from/gasoline/to/megawat...

2. https://www.cargopedia.net/europe-fuel-prices

[VeejayRampay]

the short-term answer is "it's a bit expensive right now", the long-term answer is "we mastered nuclear power a long time ago, it's bound to become plentiful dirt cheap and plentiful again eventually"

[JPLeRouzic]

My provider is Engie, my cost per KWh was 0.248322148 Euros in October.

[natmaka]

The real cost is difficult to assess because taxpayers' money is massively used in order to support 'EDF', the local (now de facto) monopoly.

[russellbeattie]

In the first nine months of 2023, electric vehicles accounted for 21.5% of cars sold in California (7.4% nationwide). Apparently we're ahead of schedule to get to 100% before 2035 when ZEV will be mandatory.

[GuB-42]

Some consideration.

There is a tax in France called "malus écologique" that depends on CO2 emissions, and it keeps raising. In 2024, it may become more expensive than the car itself, up to 60k€.

But for plug-in hybrids (>50km range), you don't have to pay that tax. So if you want a gas guzzler, buy the plug-in hybrid version.

[ars]

A plug in hybrid is by no definition a gas guzzler. They are quite efficient. People like them because of the energy efficiency of short trips combined with the lack of range issues for long trips.

Being cheaper is a nice bonus.

[elkos]

Do we count the Citroen ami as a car or not?

[Faaak]

It's a quadricyle, so it's not counted in.