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U.S. busts Tor drug market, arrests eight

66 points| cypherpunks01 | 14 years ago |reuters.com | reply

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[+] pjscott|14 years ago|reply
That's a shame. These guys' lives are going to be seriously messed up by this, and from the drug list, it looks like they were selling fairly ethical stuff; according to the article, they sold "LSD, ecstasy, fentanyl, mescaline ketamine, DMT and high-end marijuana".
[+] llambda|14 years ago|reply
> it looks like they were selling fairly ethical stuff; according to the article, they sold "LSD, ecstasy, fentanyl, mescaline ketamine, DMT and high-end marijuana"

"Fentanyl is approximately 100 times more potent than morphine, with 100 micrograms of fentanyl approximately equivalent to 10 mg of morphine and 75 mg of pethidine (meperidine) in analgesic activity."[1]

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl

[+] ChrisNorstrom|14 years ago|reply
The entrepreneur in me really feels for them. They're true entreppies. Risking literally everything. Sure we risk our life savings and sacrifice having a normal life but they risk losing all that AND the chance at being thrown in jail for the rest of their lives.

Every time you hear a new drug commercial on TV, pay close attention to its side effects: permanent lung damage, eye damage, brain damage, death, heart attack, stroke, birth defects, etc... Notice how a drug that damaging is perfectly legal. Then look at how weed and lsd are criminalized. Sadly, I guess we'll have to wait till the older congress retires little by little and gets replaced with new lawmakers.

[+] Retric|14 years ago|reply
Ecstasy is horribly nasty stuff. People rarely OD, but it can vary quickly do significant and permanent brain damage with heavy use. The real problem is when the symptoms show up they are basically permanent. Honestly, prolonged heroin use is significantly less harmful, the only good thing about ecstasy is the unpleasant side effects and fairly long high limit how much people take.
[+] milesskorpen|14 years ago|reply
5,200 orders valued, in total, at $1M. Over a ~2 year period. That's it? Hardly seems like much of a story. Particularly since Tor is of limited use when your system depends on electronic payment systems.
[+] garethsprice|14 years ago|reply
$1m / 5200 = $192 average order.

With a conservative estimate of 3x markup on product (seems way high, especially if these guys were just middle men), $20 shipping (national, Fedex) and 0 hosting costs they're making 192-(64+20) = $108 per order.

$108 * 5200 = 561,600 / 2 / 8 = $35,000 per person per year, or $16 an hour if it was a full-time job.

Considering that anyone with the skills to set up an anonymized marketplace site should be able to find work that pays far more than $16/hr this seems like more an ideological exercise or hobby than a money-making cartel.

Whether or not you consider it to be worth spending probably $3m+ on investigating, trying and imprisoning these 8 people is another ideological question...

[+] BigTigger|14 years ago|reply
I believe they were using bitcoins to anonymize some transactions.

The hardest thing for a regular consumer I would think would be finding a drop point. Drugs and things sent through the mail would be fairly easy to track to a consumer who could then be charged for possession.

[+] rdl|14 years ago|reply
I'm curious how they attacked this network -- I'd assume the payment side is still the easiest, and they could look for some patterns and then set up physical surveillance at WU or other locations to catch cash transactions.
[+] TillE|14 years ago|reply
> accepting payment through PayPal

Uh. How did they expect to remain anonymous with a PayPal account?

[+] aviv|14 years ago|reply
If these guys were using e-gold or some other alternative payment system, the Feds would raid the currency operator's offices as well and seize servers (as they have done in the past). Not so with PayPal and Western Union (I'm not disagreeing with the lack of such action).
[+] redthrowaway|14 years ago|reply
When I saw the title, I immediately assumed it was Silk Road. That would have surprised me, as the operators have no part in the actual business, and all trades are conducted with bitcoins. If Silk Road went down, that would be news, as they really embrace strong crypto and opsec.
[+] xal|14 years ago|reply
8x life in prison for $1M in drug trafficking?
[+] tibbon|14 years ago|reply
Costing society probably $100K/yr/each to imprison them.
[+] taligent|14 years ago|reply
That's maximum life in prison.
[+] thinkdevcode|14 years ago|reply
So were they actually selling the drugs or were they just operating a marketplace similar to Silk Road?

Also, why the hell would they use PayPal?! At least SR uses bitcoins.

[+] joshu|14 years ago|reply
Web page is dead.

Was this silk road? I've been meaning to scrape prices from there as a pet economics project.

[+] jmtame|14 years ago|reply
No, the project was called The Farmer's Market. While it operated on Tor, they accepted payments over PayPal which completely breaks the anonymity chain. Silk Road is still operational and uses other security mechanisms (in addition to a decentralized, digital anonymous currency) to further anonymize transactions, running all payments through a tumbler.
[+] duaneb|14 years ago|reply
Why on earth would an online drug marketplace use traceable currency? Silk road got it right using BC.
[+] loverobots|14 years ago|reply
Looks like Hushmail was their weak point. Feds got court order from Canada based on treaty and it flowed from there.

But yeah, between advertising, shipping, getting paid and moving money around it's hard to stay anon .

[+] cookiecaper|14 years ago|reply
I never understand why people have such a fundamentally difficult time grasping the concept of plaintext and/or subpoenas. If someone knows enough to trade drugs on Tor, they definitely should be using strong encryption on anything and everything pertaining to it, including email.

Month after month handfuls of new stories come out about someone outed and/or owned by emails or other plaintext communication that was not encrypted or cryptographically signed. You'd think it'd sink through after a while.

You have no reasonable expectation of security for anything that is not fully encrypted with vetted, real-world strong encryption. While you may want something to stay under wraps, you're just leaving it there for the taking unless it is stored on permanent storage only in encrypted form.

[+] drivebyacct2|14 years ago|reply
No way, "high-end marijuana". Crazy. Extremely dangerous!
[+] api|14 years ago|reply
It's dangerous to compete with state-protected real drug cartels.

In all seriousness... does anyone think the present-day prohibition racket isn't just as corrupt as what was going on in the 1920s? Drug Enforcement Agency... who do you think they're enforcing for?

It's almost impossible that it wouldn't be that corrupt. There is just too much freaking money involved, the stakes too high, for massive numbers of people to not be on the take.