I think my electromechanical synth is way more interesting. It's a coat rack with 2 strings with stereo pickup, and played using a rotary magnetic bow, which is an Open Sound Controlled drone motor with a 3D printed wheel with an arrangement of magnets. Only the spinning magnetic field of the bow touches the strings. It is played by subtly controlling the velocity of the wheel. I call it an electroduochord.
Here's a set I played with it.
https://youtu.be/nKFK_OhQv3k
(Wireless soft-pot controller as well as wireless "hat" controller that uses accelerometers)
And here is the recent design of a rotary magnetic bow wheel with balanced irrational angled arrangement of magnets to reduce harmonic locking.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cr4ZXGztY27/
>This is one of the Synth's eight motor oscillators. It can produce four distinct waveforms - the optical disc creates sine, saw and square waves through reading wave reflections via infra-red sensors while the electromagnetic pickups at each motor's base produce the inductive "M" waveform.
The picture shows a small motor driving a physical "strobe" disk printed with 3 different patterns, which are read by optical sensors to create the electrical sine, saw and square waves whose frequency depends on the motor RPM at the time.
The electromagnetic pickups at the bottom of the motor apparently generate an "M" shaped wave as the motor turns. This is the one that's conceptually similar to the original Hammond organ starting from 1935 which also did mechano-electrical waveform synthesis.[0] Although the Hammond motor ran at constant speed synchronized to the power line frequency. The Hammond had a metal disk for each note of the musical scale, precision machined like gears so each note would be at the proper pitch, and the lobes of the disks create the periodic magnetic induction to the pickups which generate the repetitive waveforms.
Definitely not a desktop instrument, a Hammond can be as big as a desk itself, and even heavier. But it was a true synthesizer.
It was also in the 1930's when Hewlett & Packard started up and developed their electrical frequency generator, where a single vacuum tube triode can be wired as an oscillator and used as the source of precision waveforms at a frequency of choice. Making it directly possible for someone to construct a fully electronic organ along the same lines. A musical instrument like this would be a more modern milestone.
So about 20 years later once the patents on these type circuits expired, Thomas organs began to appear in the 1950's where each note had its own triode, so it was a very early organ which was truly a fully electronic synthesizer.
Still didn't sound as good as the Hammonds, but Hammond had decades of absolute top continuous improvement in engineering by then.
[0] Also somewhat analogous to a crankcase position sensor on an internal combustion engine.
Hmm, sounds novel at first. But when I looked at the description of the synthesizer and their videos, I noticed that these are not free-running motors that would do their own thing. Instead, these are brushless DC motors tightly controlled with a feedback loop (that's why they can spin up and down so quickly without noticeable over- and undershoot, which you would hear similar to when you bend a string too much when plucking it).
OK, motors could have spindle play and other imperfections that could make the optical disk tumble a bit and introduce phase effects. Or, as
WalterBright wrote, there could be resonances between the motors.
Yet, all this tight feedback makes them control the acceleration and deceleration tightly. There is nothing analogue to how these motors are driven. Not an old motor spinning up at its own pace, it's all pre-determined by the motor controller. The motors precisely follows the pre-determined speed curves, from what I hear, similar to how a digital oscillator will. Plus, the envelope is digital anyway.
One of my first thoughts was: Cool, so I can touch the oscillators and skew the pitch! No, I can't. First, there's a cover. ;) But I guess the motor controller controls the pitch so tightly that the effect would not be musically interesting. Compared to when you put your finger on a vinyl deck, for example, which has much larger mass and often a much slower motor control, leading to these slow glides.
Apart from the fancy looks, I really wonder which interesting new soundscapes this instrument can make available. To me, this looks like a "normal" oscillator with ADSR control, just re-labelled as acceleration and brake parameters.
As much as I love the analog sound of early electric guitars and keyboards, I'm okay with simulations. After all, at the end of the day any possible sound is the output of a one dimensional function that takes the time and returns a value. You call this function 40k times a second (at most), wiggle a voltage in proportion to the return value, feed the output stream into a digital-to analog-converter of some sort, and bam! you can generate any sound possible, modulo the capability of your speaker to articulate different frequencies.
The only other boundary condition on the function is that we want to parameterize it in a way that is comprehensible and pleasant for humans to manipulate. I would suggest that a simulation of this synth would be superior to the synth itself in every way. If you were clever enough (or masochistic enough) you could even build in "flakiness" and "parts wear" and "thermal variation".
If you really want an analog sound, then get an orchestral instrument, or an electric guitar! I don't understand this half-measure of "use-machines-to-synthesize-sounds-but-not-THAT-way".
I feel like someone could generate sounds like this by learning DSP synthesis techniques and dogmatically treating aliasing as a feature instead of a bug.
Edit: to be clear, I like the sounds. I just think DSP beginners learn early to watch out for aliasing in their algos and have the side effect of rejecting timbres that are in any way reminiscent of aliasing from their toolset.
Check out Noise Engineering. Their oscillator modules use a variable speed sample rate so aliasing changes frequency proportionally to the note being played.
So rather than keeping a fixed sample rate with dynamic oscillator pitch (and having to account for bandlimiting the oscillator dynamically as it changes pitch) the oscillator is at a "fixed" frequency but the internal sample rate is changed to get it to play at your desired pitch. This way the aliasing is tuned to the harmonics of the oscillator no matter what pitch it plays.
They also make VST plugin versions of some of their modules but I don't know if they emulate the variable sample rate behavior.
I think it'd be cooler if the motors turned slower, slow enough to see, and had more lines on the disk to get the same sound pitch. Optical encoders for motor position sensing often have 1000 lines, so they could spin around 1 rev/second. Add a spiral pattern in the center to make rotation obvious.
I've wanted one of these for years but can't justify the cost. Pretty sure they used to be quite a bit cheaper too and price increased on later production runs. Maybe now the original model will go down in price on the used market.
Digital effects pedals have trouble emulating the nonlinear behavior of vacuum tubes, so I imagined the same issue would come up with mechanical implementations. I've never heard a digital trumpet that sounded much like a real trumpet.
Digital implementations also often suffer from being too perfect.
They literally perform worse than digital oscillators, and that's desirable. Pure sounds are boring, sounds with character are what makes music interesting!
sound like a mechanical oscillator -- up until someone figures out how to emulate it, which is true of every instrument. But, here it is, and it sounds unique, and that's the point.
_spduchamp|2 years ago
Here's a set I played with it. https://youtu.be/nKFK_OhQv3k (Wireless soft-pot controller as well as wireless "hat" controller that uses accelerometers)
And here is the recent design of a rotary magnetic bow wheel with balanced irrational angled arrangement of magnets to reduce harmonic locking. https://www.instagram.com/p/Cr4ZXGztY27/
Here's the OSC Rotary Magnetic Bow code... https://github.com/spDuchamp/OSCRMB
And here is an album made autonomously using an algorithm built in Puredata to control the bow based on the output sound in a feedback loop. https://stefanpowell.bandcamp.com/album/autonomous-drone-lul...
Here is an autonomous recording session... https://www.youtube.com/live/LpQBtJmrez8
pstuart|2 years ago
fuzzfactor|2 years ago
>This is one of the Synth's eight motor oscillators. It can produce four distinct waveforms - the optical disc creates sine, saw and square waves through reading wave reflections via infra-red sensors while the electromagnetic pickups at each motor's base produce the inductive "M" waveform.
The picture shows a small motor driving a physical "strobe" disk printed with 3 different patterns, which are read by optical sensors to create the electrical sine, saw and square waves whose frequency depends on the motor RPM at the time.
The electromagnetic pickups at the bottom of the motor apparently generate an "M" shaped wave as the motor turns. This is the one that's conceptually similar to the original Hammond organ starting from 1935 which also did mechano-electrical waveform synthesis.[0] Although the Hammond motor ran at constant speed synchronized to the power line frequency. The Hammond had a metal disk for each note of the musical scale, precision machined like gears so each note would be at the proper pitch, and the lobes of the disks create the periodic magnetic induction to the pickups which generate the repetitive waveforms.
Definitely not a desktop instrument, a Hammond can be as big as a desk itself, and even heavier. But it was a true synthesizer.
It was also in the 1930's when Hewlett & Packard started up and developed their electrical frequency generator, where a single vacuum tube triode can be wired as an oscillator and used as the source of precision waveforms at a frequency of choice. Making it directly possible for someone to construct a fully electronic organ along the same lines. A musical instrument like this would be a more modern milestone.
So about 20 years later once the patents on these type circuits expired, Thomas organs began to appear in the 1950's where each note had its own triode, so it was a very early organ which was truly a fully electronic synthesizer.
Still didn't sound as good as the Hammonds, but Hammond had decades of absolute top continuous improvement in engineering by then.
[0] Also somewhat analogous to a crankcase position sensor on an internal combustion engine.
kazinator|2 years ago
However, there must be a way to turn that on and off, to create the characteristic pitch bending effects.
kazinator|2 years ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonewheel
v1ne|2 years ago
OK, motors could have spindle play and other imperfections that could make the optical disk tumble a bit and introduce phase effects. Or, as WalterBright wrote, there could be resonances between the motors. Yet, all this tight feedback makes them control the acceleration and deceleration tightly. There is nothing analogue to how these motors are driven. Not an old motor spinning up at its own pace, it's all pre-determined by the motor controller. The motors precisely follows the pre-determined speed curves, from what I hear, similar to how a digital oscillator will. Plus, the envelope is digital anyway.
One of my first thoughts was: Cool, so I can touch the oscillators and skew the pitch! No, I can't. First, there's a cover. ;) But I guess the motor controller controls the pitch so tightly that the effect would not be musically interesting. Compared to when you put your finger on a vinyl deck, for example, which has much larger mass and often a much slower motor control, leading to these slow glides.
Apart from the fancy looks, I really wonder which interesting new soundscapes this instrument can make available. To me, this looks like a "normal" oscillator with ADSR control, just re-labelled as acceleration and brake parameters.
javajosh|2 years ago
The only other boundary condition on the function is that we want to parameterize it in a way that is comprehensible and pleasant for humans to manipulate. I would suggest that a simulation of this synth would be superior to the synth itself in every way. If you were clever enough (or masochistic enough) you could even build in "flakiness" and "parts wear" and "thermal variation".
If you really want an analog sound, then get an orchestral instrument, or an electric guitar! I don't understand this half-measure of "use-machines-to-synthesize-sounds-but-not-THAT-way".
eternityforest|2 years ago
I just don't like them enough that I'd ever want to actually own one...
soundarana|2 years ago
The first part of this sentence, the wiggle, is already a DAC.
jancsika|2 years ago
Edit: to be clear, I like the sounds. I just think DSP beginners learn early to watch out for aliasing in their algos and have the side effect of rejecting timbres that are in any way reminiscent of aliasing from their toolset.
squeaky-clean|2 years ago
So rather than keeping a fixed sample rate with dynamic oscillator pitch (and having to account for bandlimiting the oscillator dynamically as it changes pitch) the oscillator is at a "fixed" frequency but the internal sample rate is changed to get it to play at your desired pitch. This way the aliasing is tuned to the harmonics of the oscillator no matter what pitch it plays.
They also make VST plugin versions of some of their modules but I don't know if they emulate the variable sample rate behavior.
dreamcompiler|2 years ago
gaze|2 years ago
alekseiprokopev|2 years ago
DennisP|2 years ago
Animats|2 years ago
[1] https://vimeo.com/90101413
tlb|2 years ago
zoklet-enjoyer|2 years ago
soundarana|2 years ago
Also, use the fingers as a break for low frequency modulation.
The idea is brilliant as a novelty synth. Remains to be seen if it's actually useful and expressive enough.
kazinator|2 years ago
I suspect it's a cheap trick to fool people who associate bad old recordings with vintage sound.
strangecasts|2 years ago
DonnyV|2 years ago
WalterBright|2 years ago
Digital implementations also often suffer from being too perfect.
itishappy|2 years ago
They literally perform worse than digital oscillators, and that's desirable. Pure sounds are boring, sounds with character are what makes music interesting!
gaze|2 years ago
wilsonnb3|2 years ago