[eddtries]

They will have to give in or close shop. Simply two options available. Musk is pretty irrational when it comes to backing down so I suspect the latter. I was just about to buy a new Tesla when this kicked off and don’t fancy the risk of having a car I can’t service, so shopped around and discovered other EVs can be just as good with better build quality nowadays! So that’s a nice outcome for me.

[distances]

The Finnish dock workers just announced that they are also joining the strike. Tesla would lose the whole Nordic market for something that surely is peanuts in the company scale. One could assume that an agreement would make financial sense.

[ajmurmann]

What does it mean for Finnish dock workers to join? Are they refusing to load and unload Tesla shipments or are they striking generally?

[mattlutze]

It's a bit shocking, as Sweden is one of Tesla's most mature and highest-density markets in Europe.

[oh_sigh]

Yes, but there are only 10M people there (and only 25M people in the nordic countries).

To put it in perspective, the total number of Teslas sold over the entire history of Tesla in all of the Nordic countries is less than half of how many Teslas were sold in the US in 2023 alone.

[diego_sandoval]

> Musk is pretty irrational when it comes to backing down

What from the outside looks "irrational", from the inside may look like "not compromising on principles".

Money is not the main variable that Musk is trying to maximize at this point.

[anonyfox]

> "not compromising on principles"

which almost always is immature behavior, whereas adults think solution-oriented, which sometimes is called "Realpolitik" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik).

Doesn't get better in this particular case where musk is opposing to officially agree to common worker protection rules, wages, ... he already follows. Just another case of "dumb behavior".

[eddtries]

> not compromising on principles

Yes, I'm not talking about money here. Irrational means making bad decisions. The bad decision here is to continue playing with a bad hand against someone who isn't going to fold. Sweden is not going to fold so either Musk folds now to avoid more embarrassment & costs, or keeps going and folds in the future. It'd be more rational to just pull out of Sweden than fight a losing battle, as you said money isn't that much of a factor here.

[lawn]

> not compromising on principles

Not compromising on free speech worked well... Until he started banning journalists from Twitter.

[TheCoelacanth]

The principle that he should be able the run the company as a dictatorship and not have to negotiate with anyone.