[cremp]

> a basic level of device security across all iMessage threads I have

Is that really true though? Jailbroken phones, iMessage may still work. Any device security gets thrown out the window.

You also can't expect everyone to have an Apple device for security, which we've seen time and time again SS7 being weak - So is the requirement to remove SS7, for everyone to jump on the Apple train?

I see Beeper as doing Apple a service, not so much a competing platform, but a gateway to the iMessage ecosystem - 'Hey, this would be pretty cool to use without this app and have it native' vs the 'Only Apple devices can use this.'

[georgespencer]

> Is that really true though? Jailbroken phones, iMessage may still work. Any device security gets thrown out the window.

Apple closes exploits which allow jailbreaking, precludes it in the EULA. What more would you have them do?

[feitingen]

> Apple closes exploits which allow jailbreaking, precludes it in the EULA. What more would you have them do?

Preventing jailbreaking is not a good thing, in part since that's what allows us to check on what Apple is doing on the device, in regards to privacy, security and e2e encryption. If nobody can check, do you suppose we just accept their statements about the device as fact?