[surfacedetail]

But that's the issue, they're not serving copyright content to users in the UK because the outputs aren't derivative, the legal question is very narrow, it is about the training of the model.

There will be a separate trade mark question on the outputs, which wasn't part of the request to dismiss the case.

>Can you imagine if you had no piracy occurring in the US when users download pirated content from a server in the Philippines and you could only handle the case under the Filipino legal system?

Your hypothetical is about actual distribution and communication to the public of copyright works, this is very different to what is at stake here.

[TimPC]

I think we fundamentally disagree on the nature of the outputs. I think it's extremely rare that a neural network trained on copyrighted material will produce zero outputs that are derivative of some copyrighted work. It might take a bit of experimentation or searching to find the derivative outputs but historically for any one of these neural nets that has been sufficiently public to allow experimentation we have found examples.