[noamchomsky1]

it's a horrible experience with terraform too.

[mdaniel]

every time I hear someone suggest such a thing, I remind them that now you have two systems who believe they own the state of the world: .tfstate and etcd and let me assure you that no matter how much our dumbass TF friend thinks it knows what's going on, etcd wins hands down every time

that's why I strongly suggest that if anyone is a "whole TF shop," they go the operator route, because trying any lower level management is the road to ruin

[gtsteve]

Do tell?

[klooney]

Terraform wants to be the only thing that owns a K8S object, but the way things work in reality is you have a dozen things that want to write back to this attribute, or that overwrite objects in other places, etc, and you're constantly fighting with TF about this or that triviality.