And, sadly, I know many people that think the same. Maybe not a civil war per se but we're heading towards many internal conflicts. And the more we wait to solve things, the worse it'll be.
I can somewhat imagine this happening in the USA after Jan 6th set the example of modern political violence in the USA.
But regarding Europe, I see more right-wing politicians getting elected more often in some EU countries as a response to allowing extra immigration from the war in Syria. In Poland as a counter-example, it went the other way. However, all of these political shifts were non-violent.
"Civil war" is politics via violence. Please give me a scenario as to how you see that happening in specific countries in the EU.
- Economy is not getting better for everybody. Affordable housing doesn't exist anymore. Owning a car is becoming more and more expensive due the price increases and taxes while also paying other taxes to subsidy rich people buying expensive EV.
- Public services like healthcare are becoming a nightmare everywhere in Europe. COVID changed everything. If you are sick you better have a private insurance or you'll have to wait months for anything. I had to wait 8 months for a 5 min call to tell me the result of some tests. Thankfully it doesn't look like anything serious but that's not the case for everybody.
- Other services are worse. Having to pay money to do some paperwork reminds me of the corruption in Eastern Europe after the fall of the communism.
- We're already exporting terrorist to fight in foreign countries
- You can see even in HN people talking about moving cities because they are unsafe
- Russia is at war with us, fighting the long war, waiting for any chance to destabilize us. Meanwhile a huge part of the US population supports Russia and wants nothing to do with the EU.
- Dumb policies that come from the EU that restrict speech, therefore freedom, only to keep some bureaucrats happy.
- More friction in politics than ever. The era of respectful debate and sharing of ideas is over. Now you have to be incendiary, be trending topic on twitter, point at your enemy (not rival anymore), threaten them and create more friction than ever.
Now, all this is only getting worse. There's no will to improve things because there's no acceptance of a problem. You say immigration must be regulated, you're a fascist. You say big corporations shouldn't be able to do certain things, you're a communist. We only scream at each other while things get worse. We're going at full speed with no brakes.
I think there's a bigger chance of a conflict in Europe than in the US. We only need a country to fuck up and drag everybody else.
consumer451|2 years ago
But regarding Europe, I see more right-wing politicians getting elected more often in some EU countries as a response to allowing extra immigration from the war in Syria. In Poland as a counter-example, it went the other way. However, all of these political shifts were non-violent.
"Civil war" is politics via violence. Please give me a scenario as to how you see that happening in specific countries in the EU.
TMWNN|2 years ago
Ah yes, a riot by 150 unarmed idiots in which the only person killed was one rioter shot by a police officer, well after it started.
>"Civil war" is politics via violence. Please give me a scenario as to how you see that happening in specific countries in the EU.
You mean, like the French generals who in 2021 warned in an open letter of coming civil war in that country? <https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210427-french-genera...>
Darmody|2 years ago
- Economy is not getting better for everybody. Affordable housing doesn't exist anymore. Owning a car is becoming more and more expensive due the price increases and taxes while also paying other taxes to subsidy rich people buying expensive EV.
- Public services like healthcare are becoming a nightmare everywhere in Europe. COVID changed everything. If you are sick you better have a private insurance or you'll have to wait months for anything. I had to wait 8 months for a 5 min call to tell me the result of some tests. Thankfully it doesn't look like anything serious but that's not the case for everybody.
- Other services are worse. Having to pay money to do some paperwork reminds me of the corruption in Eastern Europe after the fall of the communism.
- We're already exporting terrorist to fight in foreign countries
- You can see even in HN people talking about moving cities because they are unsafe
- Russia is at war with us, fighting the long war, waiting for any chance to destabilize us. Meanwhile a huge part of the US population supports Russia and wants nothing to do with the EU.
- Dumb policies that come from the EU that restrict speech, therefore freedom, only to keep some bureaucrats happy.
- More friction in politics than ever. The era of respectful debate and sharing of ideas is over. Now you have to be incendiary, be trending topic on twitter, point at your enemy (not rival anymore), threaten them and create more friction than ever.
Now, all this is only getting worse. There's no will to improve things because there's no acceptance of a problem. You say immigration must be regulated, you're a fascist. You say big corporations shouldn't be able to do certain things, you're a communist. We only scream at each other while things get worse. We're going at full speed with no brakes.
I think there's a bigger chance of a conflict in Europe than in the US. We only need a country to fuck up and drag everybody else.