[eastof]

I think the two groups are separable. Most real scientists and engineers I know are mostly focused on methods and data. They don't waste their time with cosmopolitan ideas and they recognize their own ignorance in areas like politics.

[selimthegrim]

All right, they can go ahead and bury their head in the sand until like Landau, Kapitza, Khalatnikov, Sakharov, Orlov and Shubnikov it catches up with them.